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locked Re: WRP's new Southern Railway book

David Friedlander
 

Ike,

Since I don't actually know the answer...is there a process in place to just go ahead and do a blanket digital scan of everything in the Archives into a computer?  Tied to that, are scans being ran through OCR software to allow the scans's individual words to be searchable?  This would probably help the research phase of things big time.

I ask as scanning would open the door for a few things:
1. Redundancy of the Archives' Contents in case of fire, theft, lawsuit, etc.
2. Preservation of any documents that contain paper that has extremely aged, damaged, etc. and its lifespan is limited.
3. Opens up the ability for many more folks to organize, catalog, research, and write articles for the SRHA, etc. by removing the geographic requirement of needing to live near or visit Chattanooga.
4. As previously mentioned, if OCR'ed, this would make far easier to search key words in the text of all of the documents.

Just a question and a thought.

David Friedlander
NY, NY

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 9:36 AM George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
Scott:

I have not seen the book yet but knowing some of the most knowledgable people put it together, I am certain it is excellent.

I have had the same problem with Southern, or Southeastern railroad books for years. Authors have always been “too busy” or “facing a deadline” to spend some serious research time in the SRHA archives. For example, when the Midwest-Florida books were in production, I explained that there was a considerable amount of material on the IC-CG passenger trains in the collection, including things like the equipment utilization contract between the two railroads, operating data and correspondence when the Central was trying (somewhat desperately) to add one of their cars to the IC train’s consist for additional mileage fees. None of the CG material made it into the book.

Among other projects, we are going through the finding aids for the SR Presidents’ files to see if they need additional finding aids so they can be put on-line for keyword searches. With something like 10,000 different files already identified, we can assume there are not many SR topics that are not covered. Add those files to the 1,000+ contract books, Valuation papers, etc. and the data available is multiplied.

What is needed are people interested in SR history that are willing to help organize, catalog, research and write articles that will make use of the resources in the new archives building. (The many tens of thousands of photos and SR/CG drawings have as much potential.)

The 2019 SRHA Archives work session dates are on www.srha.net now. We are not limited to those dates but we simply need to know when anyone wants to visit the archives to try to make arrangements (archives@...).

The SRHA 2019 convention will be the same dates as the NMRA SER meet in Chattanooga. We plan to officially open the archives that weekend. Between the NMRA and SRHA conventions, the archives and of course TVRM, what better reason to get to Chattanooga could there be?

Ike

On Dec 20, 2018, at 10:30 PM, D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...> wrote:

My buddy Boras Rosser got his a couple days ago and while he wishes there was more coverage of the secondary lines, especially here in Georgia, he's happy with it.  I'm hoping Santa leaves one under the tree.


Scott Chatfield


locked Re: WRP's new Southern Railway book

George Eichelberger
 

Scott:

I have not seen the book yet but knowing some of the most knowledgable people put it together, I am certain it is excellent.

I have had the same problem with Southern, or Southeastern railroad books for years. Authors have always been “too busy” or “facing a deadline” to spend some serious research time in the SRHA archives. For example, when the Midwest-Florida books were in production, I explained that there was a considerable amount of material on the IC-CG passenger trains in the collection, including things like the equipment utilization contract between the two railroads, operating data and correspondence when the Central was trying (somewhat desperately) to add one of their cars to the IC train’s consist for additional mileage fees. None of the CG material made it into the book.

Among other projects, we are going through the finding aids for the SR Presidents’ files to see if they need additional finding aids so they can be put on-line for keyword searches. With something like 10,000 different files already identified, we can assume there are not many SR topics that are not covered. Add those files to the 1,000+ contract books, Valuation papers, etc. and the data available is multiplied.

What is needed are people interested in SR history that are willing to help organize, catalog, research and write articles that will make use of the resources in the new archives building. (The many tens of thousands of photos and SR/CG drawings have as much potential.)

The 2019 SRHA Archives work session dates are on www.srha.net now. We are not limited to those dates but we simply need to know when anyone wants to visit the archives to try to make arrangements (archives@...).

The SRHA 2019 convention will be the same dates as the NMRA SER meet in Chattanooga. We plan to officially open the archives that weekend. Between the NMRA and SRHA conventions, the archives and of course TVRM, what better reason to get to Chattanooga could there be?

Ike

On Dec 20, 2018, at 10:30 PM, D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...> wrote:

My buddy Boras Rosser got his a couple days ago and while he wishes there was more coverage of the secondary lines, especially here in Georgia, he's happy with it.  I'm hoping Santa leaves one under the tree.


Scott Chatfield


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James
 

I received mine from WRP weeks ago.  I have scanned thru it and really enjoyed seeing some photos not published before.
I have to agree I wish there was more coverage of certain areas but this is offset by photos from areas not seen before.

I am really pleased with this book, at 200+ pages it was definitely worth it.


James Wall
Rural Hall, NC




locked Re: WRP's new Southern Railway book

D. Scott Chatfield
 

My buddy Boras Rosser got his a couple days ago and while he wishes there was more coverage of the secondary lines, especially here in Georgia, he's happy with it.  I'm hoping Santa leaves one under the tree.


Scott Chatfield


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Jason Greene
 

I believe I’ll be getting one for Christmas. If not I’ll order one myself. 

Jason Greene 

On Dec 20, 2018, at 6:51 PM, Warren Calloway <wcalloway@...> wrote:

I have ordered one, but has not arrived yet! Heard good things about it. 

Warren


On Dec 20, 2018, at 6:19 PM, Curt Fortenberry <curtfortenberry@...> wrote:


I just received my copy of the new Southern Railway book from White River Productions.  I haven't seen much mention of it here, but you certainly get your money's worth.  Excellent color photography.

Curt Fortenberry


locked Re: WRP's new Southern Railway book

Warren Calloway
 

I have ordered one, but has not arrived yet! Heard good things about it. 

Warren


On Dec 20, 2018, at 6:19 PM, Curt Fortenberry <curtfortenberry@...> wrote:


I just received my copy of the new Southern Railway book from White River Productions.  I haven't seen much mention of it here, but you certainly get your money's worth.  Excellent color photography.

Curt Fortenberry


locked WRP's new Southern Railway book

Curt Fortenberry
 


I just received my copy of the new Southern Railway book from White River Productions.  I haven't seen much mention of it here, but you certainly get your money's worth.  Excellent color photography.

Curt Fortenberry


locked Broad River interlocking and...a station?

Doug Alexander
 

The attached photo appeared in the 2010 Sept-Oct edition of TIES.  This was the issue with the stories about the introduction of AC signaling to the Southern.  This photo ran on the back page and was captioned as being "Tower fixture at Broad River",  I knew that there was an interlocking at Broad River, on the southern end of the bridge, I think.  But what really intrigues me is what appears to be the corner of a passenger shelter on the right side of the photo.  I plan on modeling the Broad River bridge, and I'd like to know what, besides the control tower,. was there.  I;m modeling 1941, but I'm interested in whatever was there at any time in Southern's history.  Thanks in advance! 

 

Doug Alexander
Atlanta 


locked Re: A Silverside off-line?

George Eichelberger
 

Jim:

I don't know myself but info from Ed King is "take it to the bank" stuff.

Ike


locked Re: A Silverside off-line?

Jim King
 

I own this color negative and the envelope it came in was dated and stated Bristol.  The brick building behind the Silverside gon also looks like the yard office that’s still there but there’s very little to use for “proof”, just the brick construction and a little of the building’s shape.

 

Jim King

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 


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George Eichelberger
 

I asked Ed King if he knew anything about the photo. He did not except to say he did not think it was in Bristol.

Ed would certainly know, he is "Mr Steam" and from Bristol.

Ike


locked Re: A Silverside off-line?

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Thanks for the insights, Jim.


Scott Chatfield


locked Re: A Silverside off-line?

Jim King
 

This is the other end of the Silverside shot.  475 was dolled up for the famous 1957 NRHS convention and used for special occasions afterward and stored in Shaffer’s Crossing r/h in between.  It now runs on the Strasburg.  Given the early September date, this could also be an NRHS convention or just a joint N&W/SOU PR thing.

 

Jim King

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 


locked Re: A Silverside off-line?

Jim King
 

Another point re: this 1960 shot of Silverside and N&W 475 I just sent:  the last steam on N&W was in Williamson WV, a lowly 0-8-0, in May 1960.  I don’t know if 475 was serviceable to be run-under-power to a special event as indicated by the Bristol shots.  Steam was replaced in Bristol in 1959.

 

Jim King

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 


locked Re: A Silverside off-line?

Dick Fisher
 

They were built in Birmingham.

On 12/15/2018 7:41 PM, mike turner wrote:
My guess: the hopper was newly built and was being routed to the nearest SOU interchange point for delivery to SOU.

Mike Turner

MP-Z35




locked Re: A Silverside off-line?

mike turner
 

My guess: the hopper was newly built and was being routed to the nearest SOU interchange point for delivery to SOU.

Mike Turner

MP-Z35


locked Re: A Silverside off-line?

Jason Greene
 

I was thinking there must have some kind of display in Bristol for PR. The freshly painted tender is the give away with that late date. I think Bob Graham may be right, the Abington engine that was donated about that time would be a good guess.

Jason Greene

On Dec 15, 2018, at 3:30 PM, Robert Graham <rgraham2@triad.rr.com> wrote:

My guess (emphasize GUESS) is that SOU silverside shown in the slide is not being worked by N&W steam, but is coupled to N&W class M 4-8-0 433 (for some reason) that was restored cosmetically and is displayed on the Virginia Creeper Trail in Abingdon VA. That tender is obviously not one of the N&W S1 or S1a tenders based upon the drop equalizer truck under the tender. The regular N&W late steam-era switchers at Bristol were S1 & S1a 0-8-0's and also likely a class M 4-8-0 or 2 (several were around, including 433 & 376, but none would be that fresh in service in mid-1960). The final N&W steam operated in West VA on the Pocahontas Div in 1960. The SOU silverside gondolas were used in unit train service out of Westmoreland Coal's mines in SW Virginia in and around Appalachia VA & Andover VA (the INT terminal) and were run in service in the general vicinity of Bristol, although not actually through there. I would suspect the car was borrowed by N&W for examination and comparison purposes, as at that time, N&W had just acquired a fleet of former VGN large capacity coal service gondolas and had also owned their own similar cars.

Bob Graham


---- Bill Schafer <bschafer@tvrail.com> wrote:
They would have been brand new if they were switched by N&W steam. I don’t know the answer, but since the photo was taken in Bristol, the car could have been touched by N&W in the joint N&W-SOU yard or - maybe - N&W borrowed the car for a test. Just guesses.

—Bill

On Dec 15, 2018, at 1:03 PM, D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@mindspring.com<mailto:blindog@mindspring.com>> wrote:

Anybody know the story behind this shot? I didn't know the Silversides ever went off-line. That appears to be a switcher's tender it's coupled to. Hmmmm......

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DUPLICATE-SLIDE-Southern-SOU-1147-Gondola-Car-BRAND-NEW-Bristol-VA-1960/372534823381

Scott Chatfield







locked Re: A Silverside off-line?

Robert Graham
 

My guess (emphasize GUESS) is that SOU silverside shown in the slide is not being worked by N&W steam, but is coupled to N&W class M 4-8-0 433 (for some reason) that was restored cosmetically and is displayed on the Virginia Creeper Trail in Abingdon VA. That tender is obviously not one of the N&W S1 or S1a tenders based upon the drop equalizer truck under the tender. The regular N&W late steam-era switchers at Bristol were S1 & S1a 0-8-0's and also likely a class M 4-8-0 or 2 (several were around, including 433 & 376, but none would be that fresh in service in mid-1960). The final N&W steam operated in West VA on the Pocahontas Div in 1960. The SOU silverside gondolas were used in unit train service out of Westmoreland Coal's mines in SW Virginia in and around Appalachia VA & Andover VA (the INT terminal) and were run in service in the general vicinity of Bristol, although not actually through there. I would suspect the car was borrowed by N&W for examination and comparison purposes, as at that time, N&W had just acquired a fleet of former VGN large capacity coal service gondolas and had also owned their own similar cars.

Bob Graham


---- Bill Schafer <bschafer@tvrail.com> wrote:

They would have been brand new if they were switched by N&W steam. I don’t know the answer, but since the photo was taken in Bristol, the car could have been touched by N&W in the joint N&W-SOU yard or - maybe - N&W borrowed the car for a test. Just guesses.

—Bill

On Dec 15, 2018, at 1:03 PM, D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@mindspring.com<mailto:blindog@mindspring.com>> wrote:

Anybody know the story behind this shot? I didn't know the Silversides ever went off-line. That appears to be a switcher's tender it's coupled to. Hmmmm......

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DUPLICATE-SLIDE-Southern-SOU-1147-Gondola-Car-BRAND-NEW-Bristol-VA-1960/372534823381

Scott Chatfield




locked Re: A Silverside off-line?

Bill Schafer
 

They would have been brand new if they were switched by N&W steam. I don’t know the answer, but since the photo was taken in Bristol, the car could have been touched by N&W in the joint N&W-SOU yard or - maybe - N&W borrowed the car for a test. Just guesses.

—Bill

On Dec 15, 2018, at 1:03 PM, D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...> wrote:

Anybody know the story behind this shot?  I didn't know the Silversides ever went off-line.  That appears to be a switcher's tender it's coupled to.  Hmmmm......


Scott Chatfield


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C J Wyatt
 

Probably new en route. I see a builder's date of 2/60. If I remember correctly N&W ran steam through April 1960, though increasingly isolated.

Thanks for sharing. This is something which you never thought you would have seen.

Jack Wyatt

On ‎Saturday‎, ‎December‎ ‎15‎, ‎2018‎ ‎01‎:‎03‎:‎57‎ ‎PM‎ ‎EST, D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...> wrote:


Anybody know the story behind this shot?  I didn't know the Silversides ever went off-line.  That appears to be a switcher's tender it's coupled to.  Hmmmm......

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DUPLICATE-SLIDE-Southern-SOU-1147-Gondola-Car-BRAND-NEW-Bristol-VA-1960/372534823381

Scott Chatfield

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