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locked Re: Enoree River

Bill Schafer
 

It was originally assigned to the Crescent, and the car ran in that train off and on for years. It also ran on the Southerner in the 1960s, according to some consists I have seen. Does anybody know if the Enoree River operated on other Southern trains or even in Pullman charter service prior to, say, 1965?

On Aug 6, 2019, at 12:15 PM, mclain2004@... wrote:

In which passenger train was Pullman “Enoree River” mostly used?


locked Re: Enoree River

Doug Alexander
 

Enoree River was built for the Crescent in 1949 and began service on that train in 1950. While it might have been used on other trains from time to time, Enoree’s home was 37 & 38.

Doug

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locked Enoree River

Roy McLain
 

In which passenger train was Pullman “Enoree River” mostly used?


locked Re: Southern dining car 3307 and OC 5 to TVRM

Doug Alexander
 

I;m with Marv; I'd much rather see Clover and other Pullman cars in Pullman Green.

I once asked the late Bob Soule why they had chosen Tuscan red for their cars, that being a more N&W and Pennsy color than Southern.  He said, if I recall correctly, that the decision was driven by the donation of something like near 1,000 gallons of the Tuscan color.  That seemed to me to be a perfectly rational explanation.

Doug A.


locked Re: Southern dining car 3307 and OC 5 to TVRM

Bill Schafer
 

TVRM didn’t paint it in Pullman green; that’s the way it was painted when TVRM received it. I was never comfortable with this paint job because the person who lettered it used zeroes instead of letter “o”s in the name Clover Colony when the car was lettered. That’s not a mistake Pullman would have made. 

Its present scheme (maroon, lettered for “Tennessee Valley” with “Pullman” at the corners) was chosen to depict what the car would look like if it had been divested by the Pullman Company to the Tennessee Valley RR, circa 1948 or so, but that was leased back to Pullman for operation. 
 
—Bill


On Aug 6, 2019, at 9:57 AM, Marv Clemons <mclemonsjr@...> wrote:

Right on, Ed.  I'm still waiting for CLOVER COLONY to return to her original Pullman green as first painted by TVRM, seen below on an early Summerville excursion.

<Clover Colony111.jpg>


locked Re: Southern dining car 3307 and OC 5 to TVRM

Marv Clemons
 

Right on, Ed.  I'm still waiting for CLOVER COLONY to return to her original Pullman green as first painted by TVRM, seen below on an early Summerville excursion.


locked Re: Southern dining car 3307 and OC 5 to TVRM

Marv Clemons
 

OC #9 is a personal favorite and one of the first SR office cars I recall from my time at Birmingham Terminal Station from 1963-65. Here's a scan from a slide I took but forgot to tag.  I know it's not Birmingham, but could it be Knoxville?

Marv Clemons


locked Re: PA3 Headlights

Ed Mims
 

http://www.trainweb.org/gyra/history.htm

 

Link to interesting story about Pyle-National and Mars lights.

 

Ed Mims

 

From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of D. Scott Chatfield
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2019 10:48 PM
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] PA3 Headlights

 

And both are Pyle-National products, as are all three MU plugs.  How do I know this.  The name is cast into all of them!

 

The one white, one red oscillating signal light (as they were often refered to in the rulebooks) were common on railroads with lots of double track.  The white light would be on in normal operation.  If the brakes went into emergency (or the engineer manually turned it on), the red light would come on and the white would turn off, and any opposing trains had to stop then pass the stopped train at restricted speed looking out for derailed cars.

 

 

Scott Chatfield

 

 


Gary Bechdol <garyeb1947@...> wrote:

Thanks, J. C.

 

Looks like two oscillating lights in the top, with the bottom one red, similar to the ACL F's and E's.

 

Gary 

 

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019, 3:58 PM charliecatsrr via Groups.Io <charliecatsrr=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Gary,

Attached are photos of the front of an Alco PA-3.  The first is a builders photo. 

 J. C. Paschal - Modeling the Southern in the 40s & 50s

 

On Monday, August 5, 2019, 2:01:25 PM EDT, Gary Bechdol <garyeb1947@...> wrote:

 

 

What was the arrangement of headlights on the PA3's?  The only clear photos I have seen show twin sealed beams in the lower light, but what was in the upper light?

Gary Bechdol
Stone Mountain, Ga 


locked Re: Southern dining car 3307 and OC 5 to TVRM

Rodney Shu
 

How can I find out what ever happened to SOU Office Car #9?  I spent a lot time in the '60s in service for the Western General Manager at Knoxville.
R. Shu


locked Re: PA3 Headlights

D. Scott Chatfield
 

And both are Pyle-National products, as are all three MU plugs.  How do I know this.  The name is cast into all of them!

The one white, one red oscillating signal light (as they were often refered to in the rulebooks) were common on railroads with lots of double track.  The white light would be on in normal operation.  If the brakes went into emergency (or the engineer manually turned it on), the red light would come on and the white would turn off, and any opposing trains had to stop then pass the stopped train at restricted speed looking out for derailed cars.


Scott Chatfield



Gary Bechdol <garyeb1947@...> wrote:
Thanks, J. C.

Looks like two oscillating lights in the top, with the bottom one red, similar to the ACL F's and E's.

Gary 

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019, 3:58 PM charliecatsrr via Groups.Io <charliecatsrr=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Gary,
Attached are photos of the front of an Alco PA-3.  The first is a builders photo. 
 J. C. Paschal - Modeling the Southern in the 40s & 50s

On Monday, August 5, 2019, 2:01:25 PM EDT, Gary Bechdol <garyeb1947@...> wrote:


What was the arrangement of headlights on the PA3's?  The only clear photos I have seen show twin sealed beams in the lower light, but what was in the upper light?

Gary Bechdol
Stone Mountain, Ga 


locked Re: Southern dining car 3307 and OC 5 to TVRM

George Eichelberger
 

Glen:

We intend to have the Southern bay window cab available in the next month or so. To keep the price down SRHA will provide only the resin castings (possibly not including the interior as it is very difficult to appreciate through the windows) and the etched end railing, ladder and roof walk parts from Plano. Modelers can provide their own trucks, couplers and decals.

Instructions and history will be on the SRHA web site and the complete package of 11" x 17” Stencil, General Arrangement and Brake drawings will be re-issued and available from the SRHA Company Store.

My personal second model to produce is the 52’-6” gondola but no decision will be made until we have feedback from modelers.

Ike



On Aug 5, 2019, at 6:46 PM, Glen Bole via Groups.Io <sgbole@...> wrote:

Ike,

Is there a expected date that we will see these ex Wright Track kits available again from SRHA?

Glen Bole


-----Original Message-----
From: George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Cc: ModelingTheSouthern@southernrailway.groups.io <ModelingTheSouthern@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Aug 5, 2019 3:39 pm
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Southern dining car 3307 and OC 5 to TVRM

Re: Jim’s model of the Southern 40’ lo side gons….

May I add that I believe, and have told many people, that it is one of the best, most accurate HO models ever made!

It is just one of the reasons SRHA acquired all of the Southern prototypes from WrightTrak. The Association will make the resin castings of as many of the WrightTrak models available to Southern modelers as possible. We never expect to recover SRHA's purchase cost but felt simply preserving the masters and molds was something the group needed to do.

Ike


On Aug 5, 2019, at 4:47 PM, Jim King <jimking3@...> wrote:

I’m always thrilled when Southern history is saved, especially for future service.  The 2 gons have particular interest to me because I’ve produced the 1945 PS rebuild in HO, S and O (shipping now).  I know TVRM is very good when it comes to accurately restoring equipment.  The gons, possibly from Eastern Shore RR, have a very diverse history.  ESHR had, I think, 5 of these low sides in service as ferry idlers.  Attached are pix of 2.  They appear identical (PS end with darts is a clue) 11-rib style from the 1945 rebuild program.  It’s doubtful a car number is still visible on the centersill but that would be all that’s needed to determine a car’s history.  Glad they are saved … likely the only ones to be so.
 
Jim King
 

-- 
Jim King
www.smokymountainmodelworks.com<Eastern Shore 583 Little Creek VA 8-3-2002 R. Underwood Kodachrome lo rez.jpg><Eastern Shore 581 Little Creek VA 8-3-2002 R. Underwood Kodachrome lo rez.jpg>



locked Re: Southern dining car 3307 and OC 5 to TVRM

George Eichelberger
 

I apologize for continuously asking for donations to preserve Southern Railway equipment nowadays but the two gons to TVRM are a perfect example. Without the willingness of people to donate the cash to pay to have the cars cleaned out, lifted onto flatbed trucks and hauled to Çhattanooga (because of their solid bearing trucks and general condition), more would be going to the scrapper.

Ike

On Aug 5, 2019, at 5:19 PM, Bill Schafer <bill4501@...> wrote:

ESHR had 10 of these, as far as I know - 5 at Cape Charles, 5 at Little Creek. When I visited recently to inspect the gondolas, there were a total of six left. I was able to determine each one’s Southern Railway number - they were still visible on the underframe.

Four of the cars had already gone to that great scrapyard in the sky; the remaining numbers were: 55858 and 58274 (both at Little Creek), and 58060, 58173, 58421, and 58964 (Cape Charles). TVRM got the 58964 and one other.

—Bill


On Aug 5, 2019, at 4:47 PM, Jim King <jimking3@...> wrote:

I’m always thrilled when Southern history is saved, especially for future service.  The 2 gons have particular interest to me because I’ve produced the 1945 PS rebuild in HO, S and O (shipping now).  I know TVRM is very good when it comes to accurately restoring equipment.  The gons, possibly from Eastern Shore RR, have a very diverse history.  ESHR had, I think, 5 of these low sides in service as ferry idlers.  Attached are pix of 2.  They appear identical (PS end with darts is a clue) 11-rib style from the 1945 rebuild program.  It’s doubtful a car number is still visible on the centersill but that would be all that’s needed to determine a car’s history.  Glad they are saved … likely the only ones to be so.
 
Jim King
 

-- 
Jim King
www.smokymountainmodelworks.com<Eastern Shore 583 Little Creek VA 8-3-2002 R. Underwood Kodachrome lo rez.jpg><Eastern Shore 581 Little Creek VA 8-3-2002 R. Underwood Kodachrome lo rez.jpg>



locked Re: Southern dining car 3307 and OC 5 to TVRM

Glen Bole <sgbole@...>
 

Ike,

Is there a expected date that we will see these ex Wright Track kits available again from SRHA?

Glen Bole


-----Original Message-----
From: George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Cc: ModelingTheSouthern@southernrailway.groups.io <ModelingTheSouthern@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Aug 5, 2019 3:39 pm
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Southern dining car 3307 and OC 5 to TVRM

Re: Jim’s model of the Southern 40’ lo side gons….

May I add that I believe, and have told many people, that it is one of the best, most accurate HO models ever made!

It is just one of the reasons SRHA acquired all of the Southern prototypes from WrightTrak. The Association will make the resin castings of as many of the WrightTrak models available to Southern modelers as possible. We never expect to recover SRHA's purchase cost but felt simply preserving the masters and molds was something the group needed to do.

Ike


On Aug 5, 2019, at 4:47 PM, Jim King <jimking3@...> wrote:

I’m always thrilled when Southern history is saved, especially for future service.  The 2 gons have particular interest to me because I’ve produced the 1945 PS rebuild in HO, S and O (shipping now).  I know TVRM is very good when it comes to accurately restoring equipment.  The gons, possibly from Eastern Shore RR, have a very diverse history.  ESHR had, I think, 5 of these low sides in service as ferry idlers.  Attached are pix of 2.  They appear identical (PS end with darts is a clue) 11-rib style from the 1945 rebuild program.  It’s doubtful a car number is still visible on the centersill but that would be all that’s needed to determine a car’s history.  Glad they are saved … likely the only ones to be so.
 
Jim King
 

-- 
Jim King
www.smokymountainmodelworks.com<Eastern Shore 583 Little Creek VA 8-3-2002 R. Underwood Kodachrome lo rez.jpg><Eastern Shore 581 Little Creek VA 8-3-2002 R. Underwood Kodachrome lo rez.jpg>


locked Re: Southern dining car 3307 and OC 5 to TVRM

George Eichelberger
 

Re: Jim’s model of the Southern 40’ lo side gons….

May I add that I believe, and have told many people, that it is one of the best, most accurate HO models ever made!

It is just one of the reasons SRHA acquired all of the Southern prototypes from WrightTrak. The Association will make the resin castings of as many of the WrightTrak models available to Southern modelers as possible. We never expect to recover SRHA's purchase cost but felt simply preserving the masters and molds was something the group needed to do.

Ike


On Aug 5, 2019, at 4:47 PM, Jim King <jimking3@...> wrote:

I’m always thrilled when Southern history is saved, especially for future service.  The 2 gons have particular interest to me because I’ve produced the 1945 PS rebuild in HO, S and O (shipping now).  I know TVRM is very good when it comes to accurately restoring equipment.  The gons, possibly from Eastern Shore RR, have a very diverse history.  ESHR had, I think, 5 of these low sides in service as ferry idlers.  Attached are pix of 2.  They appear identical (PS end with darts is a clue) 11-rib style from the 1945 rebuild program.  It’s doubtful a car number is still visible on the centersill but that would be all that’s needed to determine a car’s history.  Glad they are saved … likely the only ones to be so.
 
Jim King
 

-- 
Jim King
www.smokymountainmodelworks.com<Eastern Shore 583 Little Creek VA 8-3-2002 R. Underwood Kodachrome lo rez.jpg><Eastern Shore 581 Little Creek VA 8-3-2002 R. Underwood Kodachrome lo rez.jpg>


locked Re: Southern dining car 3307 and OC 5 to TVRM

Bill Schafer
 

ESHR had 10 of these, as far as I know - 5 at Cape Charles, 5 at Little Creek. When I visited recently to inspect the gondolas, there were a total of six left. I was able to determine each one’s Southern Railway number - they were still visible on the underframe.

Four of the cars had already gone to that great scrapyard in the sky; the remaining numbers were: 55858 and 58274 (both at Little Creek), and 58060, 58173, 58421, and 58964 (Cape Charles). TVRM got the 58964 and one other.

—Bill


On Aug 5, 2019, at 4:47 PM, Jim King <jimking3@...> wrote:

I’m always thrilled when Southern history is saved, especially for future service.  The 2 gons have particular interest to me because I’ve produced the 1945 PS rebuild in HO, S and O (shipping now).  I know TVRM is very good when it comes to accurately restoring equipment.  The gons, possibly from Eastern Shore RR, have a very diverse history.  ESHR had, I think, 5 of these low sides in service as ferry idlers.  Attached are pix of 2.  They appear identical (PS end with darts is a clue) 11-rib style from the 1945 rebuild program.  It’s doubtful a car number is still visible on the centersill but that would be all that’s needed to determine a car’s history.  Glad they are saved … likely the only ones to be so.
 
Jim King
 

-- 
Jim King
www.smokymountainmodelworks.com<Eastern Shore 583 Little Creek VA 8-3-2002 R. Underwood Kodachrome lo rez.jpg><Eastern Shore 581 Little Creek VA 8-3-2002 R. Underwood Kodachrome lo rez.jpg>


locked Re: Southern dining car 3307 and OC 5 to TVRM

Jim King
 

I’m always thrilled when Southern history is saved, especially for future service.  The 2 gons have particular interest to me because I’ve produced the 1945 PS rebuild in HO, S and O (shipping now).  I know TVRM is very good when it comes to accurately restoring equipment.  The gons, possibly from Eastern Shore RR, have a very diverse history.  ESHR had, I think, 5 of these low sides in service as ferry idlers.  Attached are pix of 2.  They appear identical (PS end with darts is a clue) 11-rib style from the 1945 rebuild program.  It’s doubtful a car number is still visible on the centersill but that would be all that’s needed to determine a car’s history.  Glad they are saved … likely the only ones to be so.

 

Jim King

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 


--
Jim King
www.smokymountainmodelworks.com


locked Re: PA3 Headlights

Gary Bechdol
 

Thanks, J. C.

Looks like two oscillating lights in the top, with the bottom one red, similar to the ACL F's and E's.

Gary 

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019, 3:58 PM charliecatsrr via Groups.Io <charliecatsrr=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Gary,
Attached are photos of the front of an Alco PA-3.  The first is a builders photo. 
 J. C. Paschal - Modeling the Southern in the 40s & 50s

On Monday, August 5, 2019, 2:01:25 PM EDT, Gary Bechdol <garyeb1947@...> wrote:


What was the arrangement of headlights on the PA3's?  The only clear photos I have seen show twin sealed beams in the lower light, but what was in the upper light?

Gary Bechdol
Stone Mountain, Ga 


locked Re: PA3 Headlights

charliecatsrr <charliecatsrr@...>
 

Gary,
Attached are photos of the front of an Alco PA-3.  The first is a builders photo. 
 J. C. Paschal - Modeling the Southern in the 40s & 50s

On Monday, August 5, 2019, 2:01:25 PM EDT, Gary Bechdol <garyeb1947@...> wrote:


What was the arrangement of headlights on the PA3's?  The only clear photos I have seen show twin sealed beams in the lower light, but what was in the upper light?

Gary Bechdol
Stone Mountain, Ga 


locked PA3 Headlights

Gary Bechdol
 

What was the arrangement of headlights on the PA3's?  The only clear photos I have seen show twin sealed beams in the lower light, but what was in the upper light?

Gary Bechdol
Stone Mountain, Ga 


locked Re: Southern dining car 3307 and OC 5 to TVRM

Ed Mims
 

Thanks, Ike. I’m all for “SOUTHERN” on the letter boards of a stainless steel car.

 

Ed

 

From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2019 4:36 PM
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Southern dining car 3307 and OC 5 to TVRM

 

Ed:

 

The people donating the purchase cost of both cars are rather outspoken that we will see “SOUTHERN” on both cars’ letterboards. The paint on NS OC 8 is in good condition so we might see the repaint wait until everything else on the car is complete. The car has been under canvass for several years so the NS paint is in good shape as the bodywork and roof appear to be (no water leaks to speak of inside).

 

Probably $50K is needed to get the car to Chattanooga and get it fully restored and functional…a great opportunity for folks to make a donation to TVRM and satisfy their inner rail barron!

 

The car sits on shop trucks but TVRM has/knows where to get appropriate replacements.

 

The attached photo does not do the car justice but the canvas has protected it. Most of the underframe equipment has been removed to prepare the car for HEP, new AC hardware, etc.

 

Ike

 

 

On Aug 4, 2019, at 2:20 PM, Ed Mims <wemims@...> wrote:

 

This is good news. I’m also very happy that TVRM has adopted the policy of keeping equipment in the paint and stenciling of its previous owning railroad or original owner’s paint colors and stenciling. This makes it much more appealing to me rather than seeing Tennessee Valley on everything. I hope this will apply to the recently acquired O. C.s. and dinner (not Amtrak on the dinner, please).

 

Ed Mims 

 

From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2019 2:04 PM
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Southern dining car 3307 and OC 5 to TVRM

 

I have mentioned TVRM has purchased ex Southern Budd dining car #3307 from Amtrak. It will soon be moving from Beech Grove to TVRM for service.

From the "when it rains it pours" category, TVRM is also purchasing (from a private individual) Norfolk Southern Office car #8, ex Southern OC #5. Originally Pullman "Point Richmond", the car was converted to Southern #21 on 3-24-54, to #6 on 10-26-70 and to #5 on 8-11-72. Southern official cars were renumbered as the person they were assigned to was promoted. The car is in generally good condition with a number of modifications and repairs for Amtrak service already done. (The fact that NS named the car "Tennessee" seems particularly fitting for its new home in Chattanooga.)

Although the purchase price for both cars has been donated, there will be significant costs to move and restore OC 5. If anyone (!) would like to help with donations for putting both cars in service, please contact me or TVRM President Tim Andrews.

Ike

PS The "rain" continues...the first of two Southern 40' low side gons has been trucked to TVRM from Norfolk, VA, he second will follow shortly. One will be painted black with SOUTHERN lettering in the cars' original black paint scheme, the other in the 1959/60 Freight Car Brown scheme with block lettering. Both will be used in MoW service and photo freights. 

 

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