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Charles Harris
 

Hi
on
The article says at  :   between 2pm and 5pm    on   Track 13 at the  Terminal Station.

Date of display was       Thursday March 21  1946

No need to spend your time on this as you have heaps to do.

Thankyou

Charles Harris


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O Fenton Wells
 

JC, totally understand take your time and enjoy your day.  When you get to it
Happy Fathers Day
Fenton

On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 7:14 PM charliecatsrr via Groups.Io <charliecatsrr=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Fenton,
With my kids & grandkids celebrating father’s day, I was not able to send you the files I had promised.  I’ll send them tomorrow.  
J. C. 

On Sunday, June 16, 2019, 5:54:01 PM EDT, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:


Thanks big D


On Jun 15, 2019, at 7:37 PM, charliecatsrr via Groups.Io <charliecatsrr@...> wrote:

Try No 2


On Thursday, June 13, 2019, 10:43:50 PM EDT, A&Y Dave in MD <dbott@...> wrote:


Fenton,

I uploaded files to the resin car list files section for ORERs from years 1930, 35, 45, 50, and 55.  The total size was close to 20MB (some are larger than others).

If anyone else needs these, let me know and I'll upload them here (for a short while since they take up too much space to leave them).

Dave

Thursday, June 13, 2019, 11:39:31 AM, you wrote:


If anybody has copies of these 1937 and 1940 ORER for SR Freight, could you please scan and send them to me.  Thanking all in advance
Fenton



--
David Bott

Sent from David Bott's desktop PC
<ORER 1937 003.jpg>



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


locked Re: Need SR Freight Car data from 1937 and 1940 ORER

charliecatsrr <charliecatsrr@...>
 

Fenton,
With my kids & grandkids celebrating father’s day, I was not able to send you the files I had promised.  I’ll send them tomorrow.  
J. C. 

On Sunday, June 16, 2019, 5:54:01 PM EDT, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:


Thanks big D


On Jun 15, 2019, at 7:37 PM, charliecatsrr via Groups.Io <charliecatsrr@...> wrote:

Try No 2


On Thursday, June 13, 2019, 10:43:50 PM EDT, A&Y Dave in MD <dbott@...> wrote:


Fenton,

I uploaded files to the resin car list files section for ORERs from years 1930, 35, 45, 50, and 55.  The total size was close to 20MB (some are larger than others).

If anyone else needs these, let me know and I'll upload them here (for a short while since they take up too much space to leave them).

Dave

Thursday, June 13, 2019, 11:39:31 AM, you wrote:


If anybody has copies of these 1937 and 1940 ORER for SR Freight, could you please scan and send them to me.  Thanking all in advance
Fenton



--
David Bott

Sent from David Bott's desktop PC
<ORER 1937 003.jpg>


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George Eichelberger
 

Charles:

Can you give me an approximate date the unit was in Atlanta? That would narrow the number of Presidents files to look for this weekend.

If the loco got from Ingalls in Pascagola to Atlanta on the L&N (logical) the chances of finding something on it in the records are small unless they tried to sell the model to the Southern. Marvin Black accumulated a lot of builders sales info…another place to look.

Ike


Did the newspaper article specifically say which depot, Terminal or Union station?  

On Jun 16, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Charles Harris <railroads@...> wrote:

Hi George

Thanks for your response.  As much as I would like to make it to the work session, I cannot, live in New Zealand!
If you happen to come across any reference to the Ingalls that would be great.  The only ref to Southern I have is the newspaper article, other comments online say it was 'demonstrated' to Southern, but the exhibition may be what they were referring to.
Thanks

Charlie Harris


locked Re: Need SR Freight Car data from 1937 and 1940 ORER

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks big D


On Jun 15, 2019, at 7:37 PM, charliecatsrr via Groups.Io <charliecatsrr@...> wrote:

Try No 2


On Thursday, June 13, 2019, 10:43:50 PM EDT, A&Y Dave in MD <dbott@...> wrote:


Fenton,

I uploaded files to the resin car list files section for ORERs from years 1930, 35, 45, 50, and 55.  The total size was close to 20MB (some are larger than others).

If anyone else needs these, let me know and I'll upload them here (for a short while since they take up too much space to leave them).

Dave

Thursday, June 13, 2019, 11:39:31 AM, you wrote:


If anybody has copies of these 1937 and 1940 ORER for SR Freight, could you please scan and send them to me.  Thanking all in advance
Fenton



--
David Bott

Sent from David Bott's desktop PC
<ORER 1937 003.jpg>


locked Re: Southern and Southwestern Railway Club

Charles Harris
 

Hi George

Thanks for your response.  As much as I would like to make it to the work session, I cannot, live in New Zealand!
If you happen to come across any reference to the Ingalls that would be great.  The only ref to Southern I have is the newspaper article, other comments online say it was 'demonstrated' to Southern, but the exhibition may be what they were referring to.
Thanks

Charlie Harris


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George Eichelberger
 

Charles:

While I do not know of anything in the SRHA archives on the Ingalls locomotive, there are thousands of files in the collection, so I can say “maybe”. There is an archives work session next weekend. You are welcome to come and check the Presidents’ files and photos for something on the loco. There could also be something in the (large) Marvin Black diesel data collection.

Do you have specific information about the engine operating on the Southern?

Ike

On Jun 16, 2019, at 3:33 AM, Charles Harris <railroads@...> wrote:

In the Atlanta Constitution newspaper for Thursday 21 March 1946, page 14, there was an article headed 'Terminal' Host To First Diesel Built In The South.   This outlined an exhibition being held that day for the Ingalls 4-S locomotive.

The exhibition to  Seaboard, L&N, GM&O, and Southern Railroads, was arranged by Southern and Southwestern Railway Club.  This club still in existence, but unable to help with info for me.

I understand that Southern Railway with others were members of this club.

Does Southern Railway have in your archives have information about above exhibition, and maybe an evaluation report.

The Railway Club issued regular 'Proceedings of Southern and Southwestern Railway Club' and a regular magazine.  Any copies in your archives ?, especially for March 1946 !
Any help much appreciated.
Thankyou
 


locked Southern and Southwestern Railway Club

Charles Harris
 

In the Atlanta Constitution newspaper for Thursday 21 March 1946, page 14, there was an article headed 'Terminal' Host To First Diesel Built In The South.   This outlined an exhibition being held that day for the Ingalls 4-S locomotive.

The exhibition to  Seaboard, L&N, GM&O, and Southern Railroads, was arranged by Southern and Southwestern Railway Club.  This club still in existence, but unable to help with info for me.

I understand that Southern Railway with others were members of this club.

Does Southern Railway have in your archives have information about above exhibition, and maybe an evaluation report.

The Railway Club issued regular 'Proceedings of Southern and Southwestern Railway Club' and a regular magazine.  Any copies in your archives ?, especially for March 1946 !
Any help much appreciated.
Thankyou
 


locked Re: Need SR Freight Car data from 1937 and 1940 ORER

charliecatsrr <charliecatsrr@...>
 

Try No 2


On Thursday, June 13, 2019, 10:43:50 PM EDT, A&Y Dave in MD <dbott@...> wrote:


Fenton,

I uploaded files to the resin car list files section for ORERs from years 1930, 35, 45, 50, and 55.  The total size was close to 20MB (some are larger than others).

If anyone else needs these, let me know and I'll upload them here (for a short while since they take up too much space to leave them).

Dave

Thursday, June 13, 2019, 11:39:31 AM, you wrote:


If anybody has copies of these 1937 and 1940 ORER for SR Freight, could you please scan and send them to me.  Thanking all in advance
Fenton



--
David Bott

Sent from David Bott's desktop PC


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rwbrv4
 

OK should see you Thursday AM maybe 10ish?
RB


-----Original Message-----
From: George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Jun 15, 2019 8:54 am
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Wonderful Day

I’ll head up to Chatt Thursday AM. I agree there is too much noise on Saturday usually but since this is so close to the opening week end, I don’t expect many people. I’m not going to put out a reminder note.

Ike


On Jun 15, 2019, at 7:57 AM, rwbrv4 via Groups.Io <Rwbrv4@...> wrote:

I had a wonderful day yesterday.  Diagnosed with an abdominal hernia that will require surgery.  Yeaaaaah.

What day are you heading up to Chatt this next week's work session?  If the doctor allows, I'm considering going up Thursday morning early and returning Friday night around 6 PM.  I just don't get anything done on those Saturdays.  Too much hullabaloo for me to concentrate on anything, ( I guess one of my shortcomings).  
Rick


locked Southern Railway Presidents' Files in the SRHA Archives - Partial Draft 6-14-2019

George Eichelberger
 

Although there is much work to be done on the complete set (there is one file per year of the Southern 1894-1982), here is a draft version of two Southern Railway Presidents' Files finding aids. They are both from the Sam Spencer administration. As this is only an example, it will be on-line here for a short time. The entire set will be moved to a server for permanent access when that is set up. It can be searched as a PDF but will eventually reside on a data base for easier searches.

In addition to a continuing clean up, we want to review every archives box and file to "QC" the contents, to add missing files and to expand the descriptions of each. There are approx 17,000 Presidents' files so the work to be done will take some time to complete. We are fortunate that the first version is very useful to do research now, and that we can build on it as resources permit.

While SRHA archives volunteers will work on the project as time permits, we will attempt to obtain donations or grants that would allow us to pay students from local schools to help. Anyone reading this is certainly welcome to help, with donations or labor.

Ike


locked Re: Need SR Freight Car data from 1937 and 1940 ORER

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Fenton,

I uploaded files to the resin car list files section for ORERs from years 1930, 35, 45, 50, and 55.  The total size was close to 20MB (some are larger than others).

If anyone else needs these, let me know and I'll upload them here (for a short while since they take up too much space to leave them).

Dave

Thursday, June 13, 2019, 11:39:31 AM, you wrote:


If anybody has copies of these 1937 and 1940 ORER for SR Freight, could you please scan and send them to me.  Thanking all in advance
Fenton



--
David Bott

Sent from David Bott's desktop PC


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mike turner
 

https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt7n8p5v9x1t_17_1?q=train&offset=300&per_page=100

Interesting photo of a derrick with a cover.

--
Mike Turner
MP-Z35


locked Re: Need SR Freight Car data from 1937 and 1940 ORER

charliecatsrr <charliecatsrr@...>
 

Fenton, 
I should be able to send these to you tomorrow or Saturday.  
J. C. Paschal

On Thursday, June 13, 2019, 11:39:32 AM EDT, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:


If anybody has copies of these 1937 and 1940 ORER for SR Freight, could you please scan and send them to me.  Thanking all in advance
Fenton


locked Need SR Freight Car data from 1937 and 1940 ORER

O Fenton Wells
 

If anybody has copies of these 1937 and 1940 ORER for SR Freight, could you please scan and send them to me.  Thanking all in advance
Fenton


locked Re: TT codes

Jim King
 

Mike,

 

The line to Cherokee ran from Ela on the Southern … it was called the Appalachian Ry.  Remnants of the bridge piers/abutments where the line crossed the river near Ela are, supposedly, still visible.  Long-time friend and expert on local logging ops, Jerry Ledford, is finishing the 5th book in a series covering logging companies in this area and eastern TN.  The previous books include a tremendous amount of on-the-ground research along with mostly previously unpublished photos and maps showing how diverse these lines were.  The 5th book, soon to be printed, has a section on the Appalachian Ry with a detailed map drawn by ET&WNCHS authority, Chris Ford.  Southern was the primary outlet for logging products.  He’s also including extensive coverage of Champion’s ops between Canton and Sunburst plus other lines in their vast network.

 

I don’t know if Jerry is on this list.  You can contact him at gledford55@... re: purchasing previous and upcoming books.  Well worth having in your library if you’re even remotely interested rail ops in western NC.

 

 

From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Roderick
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 6:18 PM
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io; srymurphybranch@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] TT codes

 

Gordon: 

 

Good evening how are you doing? Jim King has sparked interest in the Branch again. If you have a copy of the TT I would appreciate a copy of it, I sent Jim a copy of the 1946 one if your copy is prior to that date I would like to have a copy of it. As for other interesting things I have found out about the branch in the 1920's there was a 3' gauge railroad that ran from Bryson to Alarka it was 10 miles long hauling logs to be milled and the was a line that ran somewhere between Whitter and Governors Island to Cherokee and past it was about 15 miles long.

 

Mike

 


From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io> on behalf of milepost 131 <mp131.ghandrews@...>
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 18:05
To:
main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Subject: [SouthernRailway] TT codes

 

I found a copy of a SRY TT that Marvin Black copied and  sent me probably early 2000's.

It does not mention the year but as I recall Marvin stated it was in the 1940's

It has a few codes:

I can probably scan it into a PDF if anyone is interested.
A few codes include:
G Coaling station  (chute bin,platform tipple)
H stock pen
K turntable
P hospital at that location
R engines are coaled from cars at the location
Y "Y" track at location

E water
D passenger trains stop at flag


Gordon Andrews


--
Jim King
www.smokymountainmodelworks.com


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Ed Mims
 

This is interesting. I had not heard about the Southern & Southwestern Railway Club in about 30 years and had assumed that it had vanished. I was once president of the club in the mid-80s. It was struggling then to maintain railroad members. Vendors always outnumbered RR members at the meetings. The RR members were almost entirely from the Mechanical Dept. and Purchasing and Stores Dept.

 

What is described below sounds like what was once known as the Cleveland Roamers which was active in the 70s and 80s and perhaps longer. It was much less formal than the S & SW. Meeting were centered around golf followed by a very informal dinner. The S & SW met quarterly and usually held the January meeting in Jacksonville and rotated other meetings between Atlanta, Richmond and Roanoke. The summer outing was generally held at the Ponta Vedra Club. Wives were invited to the outing.

 

I retired from CSX in 1997 after 34 years’ service.

 

Ed Mims

 

From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of Charles Harris
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 5:19 PM
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Southern and Southwestern Railway Club

 

Thanks Ed and Robert.

Organization still going.  A reply I got gave me a contact.  Details of there comments:-

******************

My name is Mike Rutkowski, and I'm currently the Secretary for the Southern Southwestern Railway Club.  I've been in the Rail Industry for 15 years, a participant of the club for 10+ years, and a board member for the last 4 years. 

 

As for what our group does today, we hold a Vendor/Customer "Reception/Outing" 2 times per year.  One in Jacksonville, FL in the Winter, and one in Altoona, PA in the summer.  The Outings are pretty informal, but still focus on bringing Rail related vendors together with active Railroaders from NS, CSX, Genesee & Wyoming Rail, and others in the area. 

Email is:     mike@...
******************

 

Thankyou

Charles Harris
New Zealand


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Charles Harris
 

Thanks Ed and Robert.

Organization still going.  A reply I got gave me a contact.  Details of there comments:-

******************
My name is Mike Rutkowski, and I'm currently the Secretary for the Southern Southwestern Railway Club.  I've been in the Rail Industry for 15 years, a participant of the club for 10+ years, and a board member for the last 4 years. 
 
As for what our group does today, we hold a Vendor/Customer "Reception/Outing" 2 times per year.  One in Jacksonville, FL in the Winter, and one in Altoona, PA in the summer.  The Outings are pretty informal, but still focus on bringing Rail related vendors together with active Railroaders from NS, CSX, Genesee & Wyoming Rail, and others in the area. 

Email is:     mike@...
******************
 

Thankyou

Charles Harris
New Zealand


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George Eichelberger
 

Jim:

I agree with your logic but the Southern was strict about reporting accounts to the ICC. SRHA does have the Southern’s (and CofG) carbon copies of all/most of the ICC Forms 588-R “Report to Interstate Commerce Commission Bureau of Valuations” in the archives. Those were submitted every year on 6-30 and 12-31 and were the valuation basis for everything on the Southern. Many pieces of correspondence specify how accurate, and timely they had to be. The notes on the Summary Sheets could (!) vary from the 588s but I cannot think of a reason the Southern would have done that?

Even after excluding the grading, ties, ballast, rail, fences, signs and other accounts, there are still many (!) pages of rolling stock and Valuation Section (fixed plant) accounts. Nothing has been scanned on the Murphy Branch (assuming we have it) so I have attached a page from CofG Val section 34 as an example. Note the level of detail it includes. (Can upload a copy of the ICC instructions again if folks are interested.)

Before anyone asks…..no, it is not possible for archives volunteers to scan-on-demand, there is simply not time and we have to do the work that benefits the most people for the foreseeable future. Individuals, preferably as SRHA members, are welcome to go to Chattanooga and help. If we had sufficient donations or grant money from some source, we could pay Univ of Tenn students to come in and help.

Ike



On Jun 11, 2019, at 10:51 AM, Jim King <jimking3@...> wrote:

Ike,

Interesting tidbit re: tt's and wyes.  The wye at Canton was still used when I was there 1977-81 and we had to turn an engine once after it broke an air pipe following a hard coupling and swapped engines with the returning Goose.  The west leg of the wye was removed in the early 80s while the east leg continued usage for car storage.  It came up in the mid 80s soon after the NS merger.

The Addie and Murphy wyes were still in place but unused well into the 80s.  Addie's was removed by the lumber mill (I think) or buried in logs.  The Murphy wye has been cannibalized for switch parts by GSMR according to reports.

I'm still confused as to the several-year difference between documented steam activity on the Murphy and the ICC reports with handwritten (by Southern, no doubt) retirement dates several years before the end of steam.  I don't know when the Nantahala coal conveyor was installed but certainly later than the ICC valuation sheets so it wouldn't show up as being retired.  Several of Dale Roberts' pix were printed in TIES or SRHS pub of that facility with a 2-8-0 and combine, also very unusual consist.  Retiring the Bryson and Balsam coal ramps in 1945 while steam was still running makes no sense to me because Nantahala would have been the only coal source remaining for the entire branch.  The 1948 timetable clearly shows steam in service and the Bryson-Addie turn plus the long-distance Goose.  Also, as far as I know, the short passenger train that ran the entire line (east and west trains usually met around Willits) were always steam powered and that train ran until at least 1947, maybe 1948.  It needed coal, too.
--
Jim King
www.smokymountainmodelworks.com


locked Re: Need scan of Murphy Branch timetable page

Jim King
 

Ike,

Interesting tidbit re: tt's and wyes.  The wye at Canton was still used when I was there 1977-81 and we had to turn an engine once after it broke an air pipe following a hard coupling and swapped engines with the returning Goose.  The west leg of the wye was removed in the early 80s while the east leg continued usage for car storage.  It came up in the mid 80s soon after the NS merger.

The Addie and Murphy wyes were still in place but unused well into the 80s.  Addie's was removed by the lumber mill (I think) or buried in logs.  The Murphy wye has been cannibalized for switch parts by GSMR according to reports.

I'm still confused as to the several-year difference between documented steam activity on the Murphy and the ICC reports with handwritten (by Southern, no doubt) retirement dates several years before the end of steam.  I don't know when the Nantahala coal conveyor was installed but certainly later than the ICC valuation sheets so it wouldn't show up as being retired.  Several of Dale Roberts' pix were printed in TIES or SRHS pub of that facility with a 2-8-0 and combine, also very unusual consist.  Retiring the Bryson and Balsam coal ramps in 1945 while steam was still running makes no sense to me because Nantahala would have been the only coal source remaining for the entire branch.  The 1948 timetable clearly shows steam in service and the Bryson-Addie turn plus the long-distance Goose.  Also, as far as I know, the short passenger train that ran the entire line (east and west trains usually met around Willits) were always steam powered and that train ran until at least 1947, maybe 1948.  It needed coal, too.
--
Jim King
www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

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