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moderated Re: Southern dining car 3307 and OC 5 to TVRM

Marv Clemons
 

Right on, Ed.  I'm still waiting for CLOVER COLONY to return to her original Pullman green as first painted by TVRM, seen below on an early Summerville excursion.

moderated Re: Southern dining car 3307 and OC 5 to TVRM

Marv Clemons
 

OC #9 is a personal favorite and one of the first SR office cars I recall from my time at Birmingham Terminal Station from 1963-65. Here's a scan from a slide I took but forgot to tag.  I know it's not Birmingham, but could it be Knoxville?

Marv Clemons

moderated Re: PA3 Headlights

Ed Mims
 

http://www.trainweb.org/gyra/history.htm

 

Link to interesting story about Pyle-National and Mars lights.

 

Ed Mims

 

From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of D. Scott Chatfield
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2019 10:48 PM
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] PA3 Headlights

 

And both are Pyle-National products, as are all three MU plugs.  How do I know this.  The name is cast into all of them!

 

The one white, one red oscillating signal light (as they were often refered to in the rulebooks) were common on railroads with lots of double track.  The white light would be on in normal operation.  If the brakes went into emergency (or the engineer manually turned it on), the red light would come on and the white would turn off, and any opposing trains had to stop then pass the stopped train at restricted speed looking out for derailed cars.

 

 

Scott Chatfield

 

 


Gary Bechdol <garyeb1947@...> wrote:

Thanks, J. C.

 

Looks like two oscillating lights in the top, with the bottom one red, similar to the ACL F's and E's.

 

Gary 

 

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019, 3:58 PM charliecatsrr via Groups.Io <charliecatsrr=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Gary,

Attached are photos of the front of an Alco PA-3.  The first is a builders photo. 

 J. C. Paschal - Modeling the Southern in the 40s & 50s

 

On Monday, August 5, 2019, 2:01:25 PM EDT, Gary Bechdol <garyeb1947@...> wrote:

 

 

What was the arrangement of headlights on the PA3's?  The only clear photos I have seen show twin sealed beams in the lower light, but what was in the upper light?

Gary Bechdol
Stone Mountain, Ga 

moderated Re: Southern dining car 3307 and OC 5 to TVRM

Rodney Shu
 

How can I find out what ever happened to SOU Office Car #9?  I spent a lot time in the '60s in service for the Western General Manager at Knoxville.
R. Shu

moderated Re: PA3 Headlights

D. Scott Chatfield
 

And both are Pyle-National products, as are all three MU plugs.  How do I know this.  The name is cast into all of them!

The one white, one red oscillating signal light (as they were often refered to in the rulebooks) were common on railroads with lots of double track.  The white light would be on in normal operation.  If the brakes went into emergency (or the engineer manually turned it on), the red light would come on and the white would turn off, and any opposing trains had to stop then pass the stopped train at restricted speed looking out for derailed cars.


Scott Chatfield



Gary Bechdol <garyeb1947@...> wrote:
Thanks, J. C.

Looks like two oscillating lights in the top, with the bottom one red, similar to the ACL F's and E's.

Gary 

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019, 3:58 PM charliecatsrr via Groups.Io <charliecatsrr=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Gary,
Attached are photos of the front of an Alco PA-3.  The first is a builders photo. 
 J. C. Paschal - Modeling the Southern in the 40s & 50s

On Monday, August 5, 2019, 2:01:25 PM EDT, Gary Bechdol <garyeb1947@...> wrote:


What was the arrangement of headlights on the PA3's?  The only clear photos I have seen show twin sealed beams in the lower light, but what was in the upper light?

Gary Bechdol
Stone Mountain, Ga 

moderated Re: Southern dining car 3307 and OC 5 to TVRM

George Eichelberger
 

Glen:

We intend to have the Southern bay window cab available in the next month or so. To keep the price down SRHA will provide only the resin castings (possibly not including the interior as it is very difficult to appreciate through the windows) and the etched end railing, ladder and roof walk parts from Plano. Modelers can provide their own trucks, couplers and decals.

Instructions and history will be on the SRHA web site and the complete package of 11" x 17” Stencil, General Arrangement and Brake drawings will be re-issued and available from the SRHA Company Store.

My personal second model to produce is the 52’-6” gondola but no decision will be made until we have feedback from modelers.

Ike



On Aug 5, 2019, at 6:46 PM, Glen Bole via Groups.Io <sgbole@...> wrote:

Ike,

Is there a expected date that we will see these ex Wright Track kits available again from SRHA?

Glen Bole


-----Original Message-----
From: George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Cc: ModelingTheSouthern@southernrailway.groups.io <ModelingTheSouthern@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Aug 5, 2019 3:39 pm
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Southern dining car 3307 and OC 5 to TVRM

Re: Jim’s model of the Southern 40’ lo side gons….

May I add that I believe, and have told many people, that it is one of the best, most accurate HO models ever made!

It is just one of the reasons SRHA acquired all of the Southern prototypes from WrightTrak. The Association will make the resin castings of as many of the WrightTrak models available to Southern modelers as possible. We never expect to recover SRHA's purchase cost but felt simply preserving the masters and molds was something the group needed to do.

Ike


On Aug 5, 2019, at 4:47 PM, Jim King <jimking3@...> wrote:

I’m always thrilled when Southern history is saved, especially for future service.  The 2 gons have particular interest to me because I’ve produced the 1945 PS rebuild in HO, S and O (shipping now).  I know TVRM is very good when it comes to accurately restoring equipment.  The gons, possibly from Eastern Shore RR, have a very diverse history.  ESHR had, I think, 5 of these low sides in service as ferry idlers.  Attached are pix of 2.  They appear identical (PS end with darts is a clue) 11-rib style from the 1945 rebuild program.  It’s doubtful a car number is still visible on the centersill but that would be all that’s needed to determine a car’s history.  Glad they are saved … likely the only ones to be so.
 
Jim King
 

-- 
Jim King
www.smokymountainmodelworks.com<Eastern Shore 583 Little Creek VA 8-3-2002 R. Underwood Kodachrome lo rez.jpg><Eastern Shore 581 Little Creek VA 8-3-2002 R. Underwood Kodachrome lo rez.jpg>


moderated Re: Southern dining car 3307 and OC 5 to TVRM

George Eichelberger
 

I apologize for continuously asking for donations to preserve Southern Railway equipment nowadays but the two gons to TVRM are a perfect example. Without the willingness of people to donate the cash to pay to have the cars cleaned out, lifted onto flatbed trucks and hauled to Çhattanooga (because of their solid bearing trucks and general condition), more would be going to the scrapper.

Ike

On Aug 5, 2019, at 5:19 PM, Bill Schafer <bill4501@...> wrote:

ESHR had 10 of these, as far as I know - 5 at Cape Charles, 5 at Little Creek. When I visited recently to inspect the gondolas, there were a total of six left. I was able to determine each one’s Southern Railway number - they were still visible on the underframe.

Four of the cars had already gone to that great scrapyard in the sky; the remaining numbers were: 55858 and 58274 (both at Little Creek), and 58060, 58173, 58421, and 58964 (Cape Charles). TVRM got the 58964 and one other.

—Bill


On Aug 5, 2019, at 4:47 PM, Jim King <jimking3@...> wrote:

I’m always thrilled when Southern history is saved, especially for future service.  The 2 gons have particular interest to me because I’ve produced the 1945 PS rebuild in HO, S and O (shipping now).  I know TVRM is very good when it comes to accurately restoring equipment.  The gons, possibly from Eastern Shore RR, have a very diverse history.  ESHR had, I think, 5 of these low sides in service as ferry idlers.  Attached are pix of 2.  They appear identical (PS end with darts is a clue) 11-rib style from the 1945 rebuild program.  It’s doubtful a car number is still visible on the centersill but that would be all that’s needed to determine a car’s history.  Glad they are saved … likely the only ones to be so.
 
Jim King
 

-- 
Jim King
www.smokymountainmodelworks.com<Eastern Shore 583 Little Creek VA 8-3-2002 R. Underwood Kodachrome lo rez.jpg><Eastern Shore 581 Little Creek VA 8-3-2002 R. Underwood Kodachrome lo rez.jpg>


moderated Re: Southern dining car 3307 and OC 5 to TVRM

Glen Bole
 

Ike,

Is there a expected date that we will see these ex Wright Track kits available again from SRHA?

Glen Bole


-----Original Message-----
From: George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Cc: ModelingTheSouthern@southernrailway.groups.io <ModelingTheSouthern@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Aug 5, 2019 3:39 pm
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Southern dining car 3307 and OC 5 to TVRM

Re: Jim’s model of the Southern 40’ lo side gons….

May I add that I believe, and have told many people, that it is one of the best, most accurate HO models ever made!

It is just one of the reasons SRHA acquired all of the Southern prototypes from WrightTrak. The Association will make the resin castings of as many of the WrightTrak models available to Southern modelers as possible. We never expect to recover SRHA's purchase cost but felt simply preserving the masters and molds was something the group needed to do.

Ike


On Aug 5, 2019, at 4:47 PM, Jim King <jimking3@...> wrote:

I’m always thrilled when Southern history is saved, especially for future service.  The 2 gons have particular interest to me because I’ve produced the 1945 PS rebuild in HO, S and O (shipping now).  I know TVRM is very good when it comes to accurately restoring equipment.  The gons, possibly from Eastern Shore RR, have a very diverse history.  ESHR had, I think, 5 of these low sides in service as ferry idlers.  Attached are pix of 2.  They appear identical (PS end with darts is a clue) 11-rib style from the 1945 rebuild program.  It’s doubtful a car number is still visible on the centersill but that would be all that’s needed to determine a car’s history.  Glad they are saved … likely the only ones to be so.
 
Jim King
 

-- 
Jim King
www.smokymountainmodelworks.com<Eastern Shore 583 Little Creek VA 8-3-2002 R. Underwood Kodachrome lo rez.jpg><Eastern Shore 581 Little Creek VA 8-3-2002 R. Underwood Kodachrome lo rez.jpg>

moderated Re: Southern dining car 3307 and OC 5 to TVRM

George Eichelberger
 

Re: Jim’s model of the Southern 40’ lo side gons….

May I add that I believe, and have told many people, that it is one of the best, most accurate HO models ever made!

It is just one of the reasons SRHA acquired all of the Southern prototypes from WrightTrak. The Association will make the resin castings of as many of the WrightTrak models available to Southern modelers as possible. We never expect to recover SRHA's purchase cost but felt simply preserving the masters and molds was something the group needed to do.

Ike


On Aug 5, 2019, at 4:47 PM, Jim King <jimking3@...> wrote:

I’m always thrilled when Southern history is saved, especially for future service.  The 2 gons have particular interest to me because I’ve produced the 1945 PS rebuild in HO, S and O (shipping now).  I know TVRM is very good when it comes to accurately restoring equipment.  The gons, possibly from Eastern Shore RR, have a very diverse history.  ESHR had, I think, 5 of these low sides in service as ferry idlers.  Attached are pix of 2.  They appear identical (PS end with darts is a clue) 11-rib style from the 1945 rebuild program.  It’s doubtful a car number is still visible on the centersill but that would be all that’s needed to determine a car’s history.  Glad they are saved … likely the only ones to be so.
 
Jim King
 

-- 
Jim King
www.smokymountainmodelworks.com<Eastern Shore 583 Little Creek VA 8-3-2002 R. Underwood Kodachrome lo rez.jpg><Eastern Shore 581 Little Creek VA 8-3-2002 R. Underwood Kodachrome lo rez.jpg>

moderated Re: Southern dining car 3307 and OC 5 to TVRM

Bill Schafer
 

ESHR had 10 of these, as far as I know - 5 at Cape Charles, 5 at Little Creek. When I visited recently to inspect the gondolas, there were a total of six left. I was able to determine each one’s Southern Railway number - they were still visible on the underframe.

Four of the cars had already gone to that great scrapyard in the sky; the remaining numbers were: 55858 and 58274 (both at Little Creek), and 58060, 58173, 58421, and 58964 (Cape Charles). TVRM got the 58964 and one other.

—Bill


On Aug 5, 2019, at 4:47 PM, Jim King <jimking3@...> wrote:

I’m always thrilled when Southern history is saved, especially for future service.  The 2 gons have particular interest to me because I’ve produced the 1945 PS rebuild in HO, S and O (shipping now).  I know TVRM is very good when it comes to accurately restoring equipment.  The gons, possibly from Eastern Shore RR, have a very diverse history.  ESHR had, I think, 5 of these low sides in service as ferry idlers.  Attached are pix of 2.  They appear identical (PS end with darts is a clue) 11-rib style from the 1945 rebuild program.  It’s doubtful a car number is still visible on the centersill but that would be all that’s needed to determine a car’s history.  Glad they are saved … likely the only ones to be so.
 
Jim King
 

-- 
Jim King
www.smokymountainmodelworks.com<Eastern Shore 583 Little Creek VA 8-3-2002 R. Underwood Kodachrome lo rez.jpg><Eastern Shore 581 Little Creek VA 8-3-2002 R. Underwood Kodachrome lo rez.jpg>

moderated Re: Southern dining car 3307 and OC 5 to TVRM

Jim King
 

I’m always thrilled when Southern history is saved, especially for future service.  The 2 gons have particular interest to me because I’ve produced the 1945 PS rebuild in HO, S and O (shipping now).  I know TVRM is very good when it comes to accurately restoring equipment.  The gons, possibly from Eastern Shore RR, have a very diverse history.  ESHR had, I think, 5 of these low sides in service as ferry idlers.  Attached are pix of 2.  They appear identical (PS end with darts is a clue) 11-rib style from the 1945 rebuild program.  It’s doubtful a car number is still visible on the centersill but that would be all that’s needed to determine a car’s history.  Glad they are saved … likely the only ones to be so.

 

Jim King

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 


--
Jim King
www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

moderated Re: PA3 Headlights

Gary Bechdol
 

Thanks, J. C.

Looks like two oscillating lights in the top, with the bottom one red, similar to the ACL F's and E's.

Gary 

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019, 3:58 PM charliecatsrr via Groups.Io <charliecatsrr=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Gary,
Attached are photos of the front of an Alco PA-3.  The first is a builders photo. 
 J. C. Paschal - Modeling the Southern in the 40s & 50s

On Monday, August 5, 2019, 2:01:25 PM EDT, Gary Bechdol <garyeb1947@...> wrote:


What was the arrangement of headlights on the PA3's?  The only clear photos I have seen show twin sealed beams in the lower light, but what was in the upper light?

Gary Bechdol
Stone Mountain, Ga 

moderated Re: PA3 Headlights

charliecatsrr
 

Gary,
Attached are photos of the front of an Alco PA-3.  The first is a builders photo. 
 J. C. Paschal - Modeling the Southern in the 40s & 50s

On Monday, August 5, 2019, 2:01:25 PM EDT, Gary Bechdol <garyeb1947@...> wrote:


What was the arrangement of headlights on the PA3's?  The only clear photos I have seen show twin sealed beams in the lower light, but what was in the upper light?

Gary Bechdol
Stone Mountain, Ga 

moderated PA3 Headlights

Gary Bechdol
 

What was the arrangement of headlights on the PA3's?  The only clear photos I have seen show twin sealed beams in the lower light, but what was in the upper light?

Gary Bechdol
Stone Mountain, Ga 

moderated Re: Southern dining car 3307 and OC 5 to TVRM

Ed Mims
 

Thanks, Ike. I’m all for “SOUTHERN” on the letter boards of a stainless steel car.

 

Ed

 

From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2019 4:36 PM
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Southern dining car 3307 and OC 5 to TVRM

 

Ed:

 

The people donating the purchase cost of both cars are rather outspoken that we will see “SOUTHERN” on both cars’ letterboards. The paint on NS OC 8 is in good condition so we might see the repaint wait until everything else on the car is complete. The car has been under canvass for several years so the NS paint is in good shape as the bodywork and roof appear to be (no water leaks to speak of inside).

 

Probably $50K is needed to get the car to Chattanooga and get it fully restored and functional…a great opportunity for folks to make a donation to TVRM and satisfy their inner rail barron!

 

The car sits on shop trucks but TVRM has/knows where to get appropriate replacements.

 

The attached photo does not do the car justice but the canvas has protected it. Most of the underframe equipment has been removed to prepare the car for HEP, new AC hardware, etc.

 

Ike

 

 

On Aug 4, 2019, at 2:20 PM, Ed Mims <wemims@...> wrote:

 

This is good news. I’m also very happy that TVRM has adopted the policy of keeping equipment in the paint and stenciling of its previous owning railroad or original owner’s paint colors and stenciling. This makes it much more appealing to me rather than seeing Tennessee Valley on everything. I hope this will apply to the recently acquired O. C.s. and dinner (not Amtrak on the dinner, please).

 

Ed Mims 

 

From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2019 2:04 PM
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Southern dining car 3307 and OC 5 to TVRM

 

I have mentioned TVRM has purchased ex Southern Budd dining car #3307 from Amtrak. It will soon be moving from Beech Grove to TVRM for service.

From the "when it rains it pours" category, TVRM is also purchasing (from a private individual) Norfolk Southern Office car #8, ex Southern OC #5. Originally Pullman "Point Richmond", the car was converted to Southern #21 on 3-24-54, to #6 on 10-26-70 and to #5 on 8-11-72. Southern official cars were renumbered as the person they were assigned to was promoted. The car is in generally good condition with a number of modifications and repairs for Amtrak service already done. (The fact that NS named the car "Tennessee" seems particularly fitting for its new home in Chattanooga.)

Although the purchase price for both cars has been donated, there will be significant costs to move and restore OC 5. If anyone (!) would like to help with donations for putting both cars in service, please contact me or TVRM President Tim Andrews.

Ike

PS The "rain" continues...the first of two Southern 40' low side gons has been trucked to TVRM from Norfolk, VA, he second will follow shortly. One will be painted black with SOUTHERN lettering in the cars' original black paint scheme, the other in the 1959/60 Freight Car Brown scheme with block lettering. Both will be used in MoW service and photo freights. 

 

moderated Re: Southern dining car 3307 and OC 5 to TVRM

George Eichelberger
 

Ed:

The people donating the purchase cost of both cars are rather outspoken that we will see “SOUTHERN” on both cars’ letterboards. The paint on NS OC 8 is in good condition so we might see the repaint wait until everything else on the car is complete. The car has been under canvass for several years so the NS paint is in good shape as the bodywork and roof appear to be (no water leaks to speak of inside).

Probably $50K is needed to get the car to Chattanooga and get it fully restored and functional…a great opportunity for folks to make a donation to TVRM and satisfy their inner rail barron!

The car sits on shop trucks but TVRM has/knows where to get appropriate replacements.

The attached photo does not do the car justice but the canvas has protected it. Most of the underframe equipment has been removed to prepare the car for HEP, new AC hardware, etc.

Ike



On Aug 4, 2019, at 2:20 PM, Ed Mims <wemims@...> wrote:

This is good news. I’m also very happy that TVRM has adopted the policy of keeping equipment in the paint and stenciling of its previous owning railroad or original owner’s paint colors and stenciling. This makes it much more appealing to me rather than seeing Tennessee Valley on everything. I hope this will apply to the recently acquired O. C.s. and dinner (not Amtrak on the dinner, please).
 
Ed Mims 
 
From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2019 2:04 PM
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Southern dining car 3307 and OC 5 to TVRM
 
I have mentioned TVRM has purchased ex Southern Budd dining car #3307 from Amtrak. It will soon be moving from Beech Grove to TVRM for service.

From the "when it rains it pours" category, TVRM is also purchasing (from a private individual) Norfolk Southern Office car #8, ex Southern OC #5. Originally Pullman "Point Richmond", the car was converted to Southern #21 on 3-24-54, to #6 on 10-26-70 and to #5 on 8-11-72. Southern official cars were renumbered as the person they were assigned to was promoted. The car is in generally good condition with a number of modifications and repairs for Amtrak service already done. (The fact that NS named the car "Tennessee" seems particularly fitting for its new home in Chattanooga.)

Although the purchase price for both cars has been donated, there will be significant costs to move and restore OC 5. If anyone (!) would like to help with donations for putting both cars in service, please contact me or TVRM President Tim Andrews.

Ike

PS The "rain" continues...the first of two Southern 40' low side gons has been trucked to TVRM from Norfolk, VA, he second will follow shortly. One will be painted black with SOUTHERN lettering in the cars' original black paint scheme, the other in the 1959/60 Freight Car Brown scheme with block lettering. Both will be used in MoW service and photo freights. 


moderated Re: Southern dining car 3307 and OC 5 to TVRM

Ed Mims
 

This is good news. I’m also very happy that TVRM has adopted the policy of keeping equipment in the paint and stenciling of its previous owning railroad or original owner’s paint colors and stenciling. This makes it much more appealing to me rather than seeing Tennessee Valley on everything. I hope this will apply to the recently acquired O. C.s. and dinner (not Amtrak on the dinner, please).

 

Ed Mims

 

From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2019 2:04 PM
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Southern dining car 3307 and OC 5 to TVRM

 

I have mentioned TVRM has purchased ex Southern Budd dining car #3307 from Amtrak. It will soon be moving from Beech Grove to TVRM for service.

From the "when it rains it pours" category, TVRM is also purchasing (from a private individual) Norfolk Southern Office car #8, ex Southern OC #5. Originally Pullman "Point Richmond", the car was converted to Southern #21 on 3-24-54, to #6 on 10-26-70 and to #5 on 8-11-72. Southern official cars were renumbered as the person they were assigned to was promoted. The car is in generally good condition with a number of modifications and repairs for Amtrak service already done. (The fact that NS named the car "Tennessee" seems particularly fitting for its new home in Chattanooga.)

Although the purchase price for both cars has been donated, there will be significant costs to move and restore OC 5. If anyone (!) would like to help with donations for putting both cars in service, please contact me or TVRM President Tim Andrews.

Ike

PS The "rain" continues...the first of two Southern 40' low side gons has been trucked to TVRM from Norfolk, VA, he second will follow shortly. One will be painted black with SOUTHERN lettering in the cars' original black paint scheme, the other in the 1959/60 Freight Car Brown scheme with block lettering. Both will be used in MoW service and photo freights.

moderated Southern dining car 3307 and OC 5 to TVRM

George Eichelberger
 

I have mentioned TVRM has purchased ex Southern Budd dining car #3307 from Amtrak. It will soon be moving from Beech Grove to TVRM for service.

From the "when it rains it pours" category, TVRM is also purchasing (from a private individual) Norfolk Southern Office car #8, ex Southern OC #5. Originally Pullman "Point Richmond", the car was converted to Southern #21 on 3-24-54, to #6 on 10-26-70 and to #5 on 8-11-72. Southern official cars were renumbered as the person they were assigned to was promoted. The car is in generally good condition with a number of modifications and repairs for Amtrak service already done. (The fact that NS named the car "Tennessee" seems particularly fitting for its new home in Chattanooga.)

Although the purchase price for both cars has been donated, there will be significant costs to move and restore OC 5. If anyone (!) would like to help with donations for putting both cars in service, please contact me or TVRM President Tim Andrews.

Ike

PS The "rain" continues...the first of two Southern 40' low side gons has been trucked to TVRM from Norfolk, VA, he second will follow shortly. One will be painted black with SOUTHERN lettering in the cars' original black paint scheme, the other in the 1959/60 Freight Car Brown scheme with block lettering. Both will be used in MoW service and photo freights.

moderated Re: A Silverside off-line?

Jim King
 

The Silverside gon with N&W 475 was taken in Bristol VA at the N&W yard during a September 1960 NRHS convention.  I have a color negative of 475 taken there; the Silverside slide you saw (came from ebay auction) showed part of an N&W GP-9 or -18 in the background.  There is another view of 475 with a set of stairs going into the cab for visitors and part of the Silverside in the background.

 

Jim King

SMMW

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


--
Jim King
www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

moderated Re: Office of Defense Transportation (ODT) Files in the SRHA archives

Bill Schafer
 

Table of contents of 2019-3 TIES, to be mailed this upcoming week:

* “In Case of Fire, Break Latticed Crate” - history and replication of Southern’s standard water barrel/fire bucket for putting out fires on bridges and at stations. Replica reproduced using SOU’s standards, found in Archives (Standards books are for sale through the Grab  - srha.net)
* "The 1905 Yellow Fever Epidemic in New Orleans" plus two sidebars: "Yellow Fever Quarantine Notices" (from the Archives) and “Order out of Chaos” - why the 1905 epidemic was the U.S.’s last.
* "Southern Railway Agreements and Contracts" - overview of agreements between Southern and its subsidiaries or Southern/affiliates/subsidiaries and other companies - 1871-1960. Found in Archives and being scanned.
* "GS&F-SAL - Junction and Depot, Hampton, Fla.” Description of agreements covering crossing at grade and joint depot at Hampton, Fla. - 1914-1950. An example of one set of agreements from the Contract Books in the Archives
* “The Celebrity” - a teenager’s account of a Southern inspection train arriving Appalachia, Va. with Graham Claytor aboard.
* "SRHA 2019 Convention wrap-up"

—Bill



On Jul 21, 2019, at 4:10 PM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

We had another productive work session at the SRHA archives this past Thursday. Friday and Saturday. Although there is a lot of work to be done, we are making visible progress. Join us in August....

My project was to find files in the SR Presidents' collection that we can use as the basis for TIES articles. The (40, page) issue now at the printers has several articles that came directly from the files. I'll ask Editor Bill Schafer to post a description of what is in the issue. Folks that are not SRHA members may be able to get a copy where White River publications are sold or directly from the SRHA company store.

In addition to the troop movements before D Day and operations in the Pacific, the ODT issued various orders that forced the railroads to cut back on passenger services after the war was over. In addition to many other examples in the files, I've attached three pages from an AAR letter describing the number of people estimated to be moved to their "home stations" in 1945 and 46. The ODT is certainly a subject that needs to/ be researched and written about in multiple historical group magazines. The request for someone to produce an article on the Yellow Fever epidemic of 1917 has produced two superb articles that are in the TIES now at the printer. If someone is interested in learning and writing about the ODT in WWII, let me know.

Ike
<1945-10-5 Pg 1 copy.jpg><1945-10-5 Pg 2 copy.jpg><1945-10-5 Pg 3 copy.jpg>