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moderated Discontinuance of Southern Trains 11 & 12 Columbia - Charleston in 1950

George Eichelberger
 

The next archives work session will be Oct 18th and 19th. Several projects are underway or nearing completion but more continue to be identified that will "fit" almost anyone's interest in the Southern Railway. Join us at the archives if you can.....

As usual, the last SRHA archives work session unearthed a series of interesting documents. Beginning after WWII, the Southern attempted, and usually succeeded, in discontinuing many passenger trains. In addition to periodic summaries showing the status of train-off filings, there are individual files on a number of trains. As more files are located, we will make a list to show which trains we have information and files about.

Aside from simple lack of passengers, the files show the interplay between passenger, mail and Railway Express services. In several cases, before the Post Office stopped the Railway Mail Service, mail and REA contracts were used as arguments against discontinuing passenger trains. I've attached three items from the file on trains 11 and 12 between Columbia and Charleston. I expect very few train-off arguments could have included documents dating to December 17, 1832, three pages from the file are attached.

A future TIES article will cover Charleston Union Station, mentioned in the cover letter.

Ike


moderated Re: Southeastern Railway Museum

Mike Pierry, Jr.
 

Ed,

Glad Jason explained what took place. I had an article published by the Bristol Herald Courier that gave more details of the Texas duties.

Mike Pierry, Jr.

On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 9:03 PM Jason Greene <jason.p.greene@...> wrote:
Building at Grant park is gone. It is now the Safari exhibit of the zoo. 

The cyclorama was restored and is now at the history center too. It is in a two story building to the left of the Texas in the picture posted earlier. The Texas and a future exhibit on the 1996 Olympics are between the main museum and the new cyclorama building. 

Jason Greene 

On Sep 29, 2019, at 8:44 PM, Edwin Locklin <elocklin@...> wrote:

MIke,
 
I wonder why they didn’t return this locomotive back to the basement of the Cyclorama building in Grant Park.
 
Ed Locklin at mp367.
 
 
 
 
From: Mike Pierry, Jr.
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 9:45 PM
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Southeastern Railway Museum
 
Jason is technically correct. The display was however,
<SIX_81694385-4745-4B0C-96D2-0C0DE44FFA00.jpg>
designed to make viewing the locomotive possible without entering the building.
I attach my photo from earlier this year.
 
Mike Pierry, Jr.
 
On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 9:05 PM Jason Greene <jason.p.greene@...> wrote:
Actually, it is inside the museum. You can see it from the outside.

Jason Greene

On Sep 28, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Mike Pierry, Jr. <mpierryjr@...> wrote:

Have you considered visiting the Texas? It is displayed behind glass on the outside of the History Museum in Buckhead.
 
Mike Pierry, Jr.
 
On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 4:49 PM David Friedlander <davidjfriedlander@...> wrote:
Hey all,

I am visiting Atlanta for a few days next week and on Thursday, I am planning to make a trip for the first time to the Southeastern Railway Museum in Duluth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Railway_Museum

I plan to see everything thats publicly open, but is there anything I should make sure I don't miss?

If I have extra time, does anyone need any photos or measurements of anything at the museum?

Thanks,
David Friedlander

moderated Re: Southeastern Railway Museum

Jason Greene
 

Building at Grant park is gone. It is now the Safari exhibit of the zoo. 

The cyclorama was restored and is now at the history center too. It is in a two story building to the left of the Texas in the picture posted earlier. The Texas and a future exhibit on the 1996 Olympics are between the main museum and the new cyclorama building. 

Jason Greene 

On Sep 29, 2019, at 8:44 PM, Edwin Locklin <elocklin@...> wrote:

MIke,
 
I wonder why they didn’t return this locomotive back to the basement of the Cyclorama building in Grant Park.
 
Ed Locklin at mp367.
 
 
 
 
From: Mike Pierry, Jr.
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 9:45 PM
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Southeastern Railway Museum
 
Jason is technically correct. The display was however,
<SIX_81694385-4745-4B0C-96D2-0C0DE44FFA00.jpg>
designed to make viewing the locomotive possible without entering the building.
I attach my photo from earlier this year.
 
Mike Pierry, Jr.
 
On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 9:05 PM Jason Greene <jason.p.greene@...> wrote:
Actually, it is inside the museum. You can see it from the outside.

Jason Greene

On Sep 28, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Mike Pierry, Jr. <mpierryjr@...> wrote:

Have you considered visiting the Texas? It is displayed behind glass on the outside of the History Museum in Buckhead.
 
Mike Pierry, Jr.
 
On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 4:49 PM David Friedlander <davidjfriedlander@...> wrote:
Hey all,

I am visiting Atlanta for a few days next week and on Thursday, I am planning to make a trip for the first time to the Southeastern Railway Museum in Duluth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Railway_Museum

I plan to see everything thats publicly open, but is there anything I should make sure I don't miss?

If I have extra time, does anyone need any photos or measurements of anything at the museum?

Thanks,
David Friedlander

moderated Re: Southeastern Railway Museum

 

MIke,
 
I wonder why they didn’t return this locomotive back to the basement of the Cyclorama building in Grant Park.
 
Ed Locklin at mp367.
 
 
 
 

From: Mike Pierry, Jr.
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 9:45 PM
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Southeastern Railway Museum
 
Jason is technically correct. The display was however,
designed to make viewing the locomotive possible without entering the building.
I attach my photo from earlier this year.
 
Mike Pierry, Jr.
 
On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 9:05 PM Jason Greene <jason.p.greene@...> wrote:
Actually, it is inside the museum. You can see it from the outside.

Jason Greene

On Sep 28, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Mike Pierry, Jr. <mpierryjr@...> wrote:

Have you considered visiting the Texas? It is displayed behind glass on the outside of the History Museum in Buckhead.
 
Mike Pierry, Jr.
 
On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 4:49 PM David Friedlander <davidjfriedlander@...> wrote:
Hey all,

I am visiting Atlanta for a few days next week and on Thursday, I am planning to make a trip for the first time to the Southeastern Railway Museum in Duluth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Railway_Museum

I plan to see everything thats publicly open, but is there anything I should make sure I don't miss?

If I have extra time, does anyone need any photos or measurements of anything at the museum?

Thanks,
David Friedlander

moderated Re: Southeastern Railway Museum

David Friedlander
 

Mike,

Cool photo.  I had no idea that's there. I will have to see if the friend I'm staying with wants to venture over there.  He is into history a good bit, so its a good possibility we can detour that way.

David


On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 8:45 PM Mike Pierry, Jr. <mpierryjr@...> wrote:
Have you considered visiting the Texas? It is displayed behind glass on the outside of the History Museum in Buckhead.

Mike Pierry, Jr.

On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 4:49 PM David Friedlander <davidjfriedlander@...> wrote:
Hey all,

I am visiting Atlanta for a few days next week and on Thursday, I am planning to make a trip for the first time to the Southeastern Railway Museum in Duluth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Railway_Museum

I plan to see everything thats publicly open, but is there anything I should make sure I don't miss?

If I have extra time, does anyone need any photos or measurements of anything at the museum?

Thanks,
David Friedlander

moderated Re: Southeastern Railway Museum

Mike Pierry, Jr.
 

Jason is technically correct. The display was however,
designed to make viewing the locomotive possible without entering the building.
I attach my photo from earlier this year.

Mike Pierry, Jr.

On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 9:05 PM Jason Greene <jason.p.greene@...> wrote:
Actually, it is inside the museum. You can see it from the outside. 

Jason Greene 

On Sep 28, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Mike Pierry, Jr. <mpierryjr@...> wrote:

Have you considered visiting the Texas? It is displayed behind glass on the outside of the History Museum in Buckhead.

Mike Pierry, Jr.

On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 4:49 PM David Friedlander <davidjfriedlander@...> wrote:
Hey all,

I am visiting Atlanta for a few days next week and on Thursday, I am planning to make a trip for the first time to the Southeastern Railway Museum in Duluth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Railway_Museum

I plan to see everything thats publicly open, but is there anything I should make sure I don't miss?

If I have extra time, does anyone need any photos or measurements of anything at the museum?

Thanks,
David Friedlander

moderated Re: Southeastern Railway Museum

Jason Greene
 

Actually, it is inside the museum. You can see it from the outside. 

Jason Greene 

On Sep 28, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Mike Pierry, Jr. <mpierryjr@...> wrote:

Have you considered visiting the Texas? It is displayed behind glass on the outside of the History Museum in Buckhead.

Mike Pierry, Jr.

On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 4:49 PM David Friedlander <davidjfriedlander@...> wrote:
Hey all,

I am visiting Atlanta for a few days next week and on Thursday, I am planning to make a trip for the first time to the Southeastern Railway Museum in Duluth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Railway_Museum

I plan to see everything thats publicly open, but is there anything I should make sure I don't miss?

If I have extra time, does anyone need any photos or measurements of anything at the museum?

Thanks,
David Friedlander

moderated Re: Southeastern Railway Museum

Mike Pierry, Jr.
 

Have you considered visiting the Texas? It is displayed behind glass on the outside of the History Museum in Buckhead.

Mike Pierry, Jr.

On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 4:49 PM David Friedlander <davidjfriedlander@...> wrote:
Hey all,

I am visiting Atlanta for a few days next week and on Thursday, I am planning to make a trip for the first time to the Southeastern Railway Museum in Duluth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Railway_Museum

I plan to see everything thats publicly open, but is there anything I should make sure I don't miss?

If I have extra time, does anyone need any photos or measurements of anything at the museum?

Thanks,
David Friedlander

moderated Southeastern Railway Museum

David Friedlander
 

Hey all,

I am visiting Atlanta for a few days next week and on Thursday, I am planning to make a trip for the first time to the Southeastern Railway Museum in Duluth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Railway_Museum

I plan to see everything thats publicly open, but is there anything I should make sure I don't miss?

If I have extra time, does anyone need any photos or measurements of anything at the museum?

Thanks,
David Friedlander

moderated Pullman Co data in the SRHA Archives

George Eichelberger
 

 As we continue to organize the material in the SRHA archives, new topic "categories" to be researched are discovered at virtually every archives work session.

Box 543 (Files 10,753 through 10,756) is one of several that contain correspondence to and from President E.E. Norris and the Pullman Co. Many items track the decline of passenger services after WWII but others include information on other significant events. Everyone is probably aware of much military traffic the railroad handled during WWII but the Korean War presented some of the same issues to railroads and the Pullman Co. At the same Pullman was preparing to reduce equipment and services, they were asked to put cars back in service for Gov't use.

The attached three-page letter to officers of the "Pullman Contract Railroads" dated September 29, 1950 describes the need to refurbish 321 "NAC" (non-air conditioned) tourist cars.

Ike

PS The next SRHA archives work session will be next Friday and Saturday. It is the same weekend as the L&NHS convention so several of us will be starting Thursday afternoon through Sunday afternoon. Among other L&NHS activities, Southern 4501 will appear as an L&N 2-8-2 (headlight, whistle and lettering) for a trip into N. GA. Everyone is welcome to register for the convention and visit and work in the archives.

moderated Re: Nashville-NYC sleeper on the Tennesseean

C J Wyatt
 

Ike, you misread it. 

The line was getting truncated to Bristol, so it did not run to NY. However by 1943, that line no. 2650 was extended to Washington DC and continued so (not sure what happened when the short Pullman lines were stopped later in the war) for a while after the war before getting cut back to Bristol again.

Jack Wyatt

On Saturday, August 31, 2019, 05:46:51 PM EDT, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:


Something for the Official Guide fans among us. From Southern Railway Presidents' file Boxes 490 & 491, Files 10275, 78, 81 & 82 (884 scans).

Did the service actually begin? If so, obviously, with a connection at Chattanooga. Did the car stay on the Tennessean north of Bristol to DC or change to an N&W train? If so, how did it get to NYC?

Ike 

moderated Re: Nashville-NYC sleeper on the Tennesseean

Robert Hanson
 

Ike - 

A "quick-and-dirty" check of the Guide shows that the service did, indeed, begin and it was a Bristol-Nashville service.

Service was provided by a 12Sec-1DR sleeper.

How long the service lasted, I don't know.  The Guide I checked was from April of 1949 and showed the car as originating and terminating at Bristol, with no service beyond to New York City. (at least on the Nashville car.)

This was in 1949, though.  The car may have gone through in earlier years.  (Just checked - the December 1941 Guide also shows the car terminating and originating at Bristol.)

That's what I found with a nickel's worth of research.

Bob Hanson
Loganville, GA


-----Original Message-----
From: George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
To: main <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Aug 31, 2019 5:47 pm
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Nashville-NYC sleeper on the Tennesseean

Something for the Official Guide fans among us. From Southern Railway Presidents' file Boxes 490 & 491, Files 10275, 78, 81 & 82 (884 scans).

Did the service actually begin? If so, obviously, with a connection at Chattanooga. Did the car stay on the Tennessean north of Bristol to DC or change to an N&W train? If so, how did it get to NYC?

Ike 

moderated Nashville-NYC sleeper on the Tennesseean

George Eichelberger
 

Something for the Official Guide fans among us. From Southern Railway Presidents' file Boxes 490 & 491, Files 10275, 78, 81 & 82 (884 scans).

Did the service actually begin? If so, obviously, with a connection at Chattanooga. Did the car stay on the Tennessean north of Bristol to DC or change to an N&W train? If so, how did it get to NYC?

Ike 

moderated Re: Wright Trak models

George Eichelberger
 

Oooops!

I’m wrong…TVRM Founders Day is not the same weekend as the L&N&H and archives work session..it;s the 7th. Good reason to go to TVRM twice.

Ike


On Aug 29, 2019, at 8:05 PM, Warren Calloway <wcalloway@...> wrote:

I was under the impression that they bought all the Southern related Wright Trak models, but I may be wrong!

Warren Calloway


On Aug 29, 2019, at 6:57 PM, Gary Olszewski <go.1955@...> wrote:

Hi,

 I was directed to this group from members of the IC Modelers group on IO. I have two Wright Trak IC Centralia Porch caboose models and one of them is missing the underframe. A member said the Southern Society has purchased all of Wright Trak's molds. If this is true how can  I go about obtaining my missing part? If this information is incorrect, can anyone direct me in contacting Gary or someone who might be able to help.
 I have also sent a note to Gary at the Georgia address on the box and I'm waiting for a response.

Thanks for any help in this matter,
Gary Olszewski

moderated Re: Wright Trak models

George Eichelberger
 

I’m not sure I can claim to be “in the know” but I can confirm SRHA purchased The WrightTrak Southern prototype models. SRHA did not acquire any parts or kits from Gary but we do not expect him to sell any Southern parts if he retained some inventory.

SRHA purchased a few other examples but not the IC cabs. SRHA did not discuss those masters or models but if someone is interested, they could contact Gary and ask if he wants to sell them.

We hope that by the next SRHA work session (the same weekend as the TVRM “Founders Day” and the L&NHS convention at TVRM), we will have more information on the availability of several of the Southern models. (We don’t have a product name but there will be a change from WrightTrak.)

With everything going on at TVRM 9-20, 21 and 22 there is plenty of reasons for people to attend all three events. One of the newest additions to the TVRM roster, L&N “Cross Keys Tavern” (thanks Bob Ralph) will be there as well as 4501 as an L&N engine. Southern Budd (1949) diner 3307 may arrive from Amtrak at Beech Grove and we should know about when Norfolk Southern office car No. 8 (Southern No 5) will be arriving by truck from Madison, IL. 

(It is impossible to predict when important rolling stock becomes available to TVRM on short notice but decisions have to be made quickly. We are fortunate that money to purchase the three passenger cars, (and two Southern low side gondolas) has been donated but $ help is needed to get everything moved to Chattanooga and then to be restored. Now is an excellent time for folks to help preserve some important rolling stock on the largest operating railroad museum in the Southeast.)

Ike



On Aug 29, 2019, at 8:44 PM, Warren Calloway <wcalloway@...> wrote:

I might have heard it wrong. Maybe someone in the know will reply!

WC


On Aug 29, 2019, at 8:30 PM, Gary Olszewski <go.1955@...> wrote:

Warren,
 
Thanks for the information. I didn’t hear that. It was just they bought the molds.
 
Gary Olszewski
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 

From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io> on behalf of Warren Calloway <wcalloway@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 6:05:43 PM
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Wright Trak models
 
I was under the impression that they bought all the Southern related Wright Trak models, but I may be wrong!

Warren Calloway


On Aug 29, 2019, at 6:57 PM, Gary Olszewski <go.1955@...> wrote:

Hi,

 I was directed to this group from members of the IC Modelers group on IO. I have two Wright Trak IC Centralia Porch caboose models and one of them is missing the underframe. A member said the Southern Society has purchased all of Wright Trak's molds. If this is true how can  I go about obtaining my missing part? If this information is incorrect, can anyone direct me in contacting Gary or someone who might be able to help.
 I have also sent a note to Gary at the Georgia address on the box and I'm waiting for a response.

Thanks for any help in this matter,
Gary Olszewski

moderated Re: Wright Trak models

Warren Calloway
 

I might have heard it wrong. Maybe someone in the know will reply!

WC


On Aug 29, 2019, at 8:30 PM, Gary Olszewski <go.1955@...> wrote:

Warren,

 

Thanks for the information. I didn’t hear that. It was just they bought the molds.

 

Gary Olszewski

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io> on behalf of Warren Calloway <wcalloway@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 6:05:43 PM
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Wright Trak models
 
I was under the impression that they bought all the Southern related Wright Trak models, but I may be wrong!

Warren Calloway


On Aug 29, 2019, at 6:57 PM, Gary Olszewski <go.1955@...> wrote:

Hi,

 I was directed to this group from members of the IC Modelers group on IO. I have two Wright Trak IC Centralia Porch caboose models and one of them is missing the underframe. A member said the Southern Society has purchased all of Wright Trak's molds. If this is true how can  I go about obtaining my missing part? If this information is incorrect, can anyone direct me in contacting Gary or someone who might be able to help.
 I have also sent a note to Gary at the Georgia address on the box and I'm waiting for a response.

Thanks for any help in this matter,
Gary Olszewski

moderated Re: Wright Trak models

Gary Olszewski
 

Warren,

 

Thanks for the information. I didn’t hear that. It was just they bought the molds.

 

Gary Olszewski

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io> on behalf of Warren Calloway <wcalloway@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 6:05:43 PM
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Wright Trak models
 
I was under the impression that they bought all the Southern related Wright Trak models, but I may be wrong!

Warren Calloway


On Aug 29, 2019, at 6:57 PM, Gary Olszewski <go.1955@...> wrote:

Hi,

 I was directed to this group from members of the IC Modelers group on IO. I have two Wright Trak IC Centralia Porch caboose models and one of them is missing the underframe. A member said the Southern Society has purchased all of Wright Trak's molds. If this is true how can  I go about obtaining my missing part? If this information is incorrect, can anyone direct me in contacting Gary or someone who might be able to help.
 I have also sent a note to Gary at the Georgia address on the box and I'm waiting for a response.

Thanks for any help in this matter,
Gary Olszewski

moderated Re: Wright Trak models

Warren Calloway
 

I was under the impression that they bought all the Southern related Wright Trak models, but I may be wrong!

Warren Calloway


On Aug 29, 2019, at 6:57 PM, Gary Olszewski <go.1955@...> wrote:

Hi,

 I was directed to this group from members of the IC Modelers group on IO. I have two Wright Trak IC Centralia Porch caboose models and one of them is missing the underframe. A member said the Southern Society has purchased all of Wright Trak's molds. If this is true how can  I go about obtaining my missing part? If this information is incorrect, can anyone direct me in contacting Gary or someone who might be able to help.
 I have also sent a note to Gary at the Georgia address on the box and I'm waiting for a response.

Thanks for any help in this matter,
Gary Olszewski

moderated Wright Trak models

Gary Olszewski
 

Hi,

 I was directed to this group from members of the IC Modelers group on IO. I have two Wright Trak IC Centralia Porch caboose models and one of them is missing the underframe. A member said the Southern Society has purchased all of Wright Trak's molds. If this is true how can  I go about obtaining my missing part? If this information is incorrect, can anyone direct me in contacting Gary or someone who might be able to help.
 I have also sent a note to Gary at the Georgia address on the box and I'm waiting for a response.

Thanks for any help in this matter,
Gary Olszewski

moderated Re: Smoky Mtn Model Works' web address updated

Jim King
 

I think I got that too … at least, my list of .IO lists shows both of the Southern groups had updated signature files.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


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Jim King
http://smokymountainmodelworks.com