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moderated Re: SOU/SAL joint depot at Hampton FL

George Eichelberger
 

We ran an article on Hampton, Fla in the last issue of TIES. In addition to Seaboard and Southern drawings of the interlocking plant and contracts between the two railroads controlling how the depot and interlocking was operated, there were several photos included. Here is a print from the Ben Roberts collection in the SRHA archives of the depot in April, 1958. (Copies of TIES are available from the GRAB at www.srha.net.)

Today, with the GS&F line to Palatka gone there is virtually no trace of the interlocking plant or the structures visible today.

The article mentioned Hampton was where the “Florida Sunbeam” from Atlanta and points in the Midwest changed from GS&F to SAL trackage to get to Tampa and St. Pete. An article on the Sunbeam will appear in TIES shortly. Photos of the seasonal train are rather rare. If anyone has any they could let us use in the article, that would be great. (An article on Palatka is also in the works.)

Ike



On Sep 30, 2019, at 5:44 PM, Marv Clemons <mclemonsjr@...> wrote:

Thank you, Bob.  I was just hoping!
 
From: rgraham2@... [mailto:rgraham2@...] 
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 4:35 PM
To: 'main@SouthernRailway.groups.io'; 'mclemonsjr@...'
Subject: RE: [SouthernRailway] SOU/SAL joint depot at Hampton FL
 
Don't think so, Marvin. It appears to be the restored Hampton SC H&B RR depot in Hampton.

 

Bob Graham

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From: "Marv Clemons" 
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Cc: 
Sent: Monday September 30 2019 5:20:05PM
Subject: [SouthernRailway] SOU/SAL joint depot at Hampton FL

Can anyone confirm whether this is the SOU/SAL depot at Hampton, Florida?

Thanks,
Marv Clemons 




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moderated Re: SOU/SAL joint depot at Hampton FL

Marv Clemons
 

Thank you, Bob.  I was just hoping!

 

From: rgraham2@... [mailto:rgraham2@...]
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 4:35 PM
To: 'main@SouthernRailway.groups.io'; 'mclemonsjr@...'
Subject: RE: [SouthernRailway] SOU/SAL joint depot at Hampton FL

 

Don't think so, Marvin. It appears to be the restored Hampton SC H&B RR depot in Hampton.

 

Bob Graham

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From: "Marv Clemons"
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Sent: Monday September 30 2019 5:20:05PM
Subject: [SouthernRailway] SOU/SAL joint depot at Hampton FL

Can anyone confirm whether this is the SOU/SAL depot at Hampton, Florida?

Thanks,
Marv Clemons




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moderated Re: SOU/SAL joint depot at Hampton FL

Robert Graham
 

Don't think so, Marvin. It appears to be the restored Hampton SC H&B RR depot in Hampton.


Bob Graham

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From: "Marv Clemons"
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Cc:
Sent: Monday September 30 2019 5:20:05PM
Subject: [SouthernRailway] SOU/SAL joint depot at Hampton FL

Can anyone confirm whether this is the SOU/SAL depot at Hampton, Florida?

Thanks,
Marv Clemons

moderated Re: SOU/SAL joint depot at Hampton FL

Roy McLain
 

That looks like the Hampton and Branchville RR facility in Hampton, SC.
Roy McLain

moderated SOU/SAL joint depot at Hampton FL

Marv Clemons
 

Can anyone confirm whether this is the SOU/SAL depot at Hampton, Florida?

Thanks,
Marv Clemons

moderated 10-6 "River" Sleepers Assignment Question

Steve Sejda
 

Hi all,

I thoroughly enjoyed the Enoree River topic posted a few weeks ago as much info about the 10-6 sleepers was provided. I am interested in the 1952-era consist info regarding the River sleepers that serviced Greenville (TR 29, Peach Queen), Winston-Salem (TR 39) & Raleigh (TR 39). These sleepers appeared in PRR TR 151 east of Washington DC but their consist book does not list car assignment names. 

Thanks in advance for any car assignment info you may be able to provide.

Steve Sejda
Monroeville, NJ

moderated Discontinuance of Southern Trains 11 & 12 Columbia - Charleston in 1950

George Eichelberger
 

The next archives work session will be Oct 18th and 19th. Several projects are underway or nearing completion but more continue to be identified that will "fit" almost anyone's interest in the Southern Railway. Join us at the archives if you can.....

As usual, the last SRHA archives work session unearthed a series of interesting documents. Beginning after WWII, the Southern attempted, and usually succeeded, in discontinuing many passenger trains. In addition to periodic summaries showing the status of train-off filings, there are individual files on a number of trains. As more files are located, we will make a list to show which trains we have information and files about.

Aside from simple lack of passengers, the files show the interplay between passenger, mail and Railway Express services. In several cases, before the Post Office stopped the Railway Mail Service, mail and REA contracts were used as arguments against discontinuing passenger trains. I've attached three items from the file on trains 11 and 12 between Columbia and Charleston. I expect very few train-off arguments could have included documents dating to December 17, 1832, three pages from the file are attached.

A future TIES article will cover Charleston Union Station, mentioned in the cover letter.

Ike


moderated Re: Southeastern Railway Museum

Mike Pierry, Jr.
 

Ed,

Glad Jason explained what took place. I had an article published by the Bristol Herald Courier that gave more details of the Texas duties.

Mike Pierry, Jr.

On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 9:03 PM Jason Greene <jason.p.greene@...> wrote:
Building at Grant park is gone. It is now the Safari exhibit of the zoo. 

The cyclorama was restored and is now at the history center too. It is in a two story building to the left of the Texas in the picture posted earlier. The Texas and a future exhibit on the 1996 Olympics are between the main museum and the new cyclorama building. 

Jason Greene 

On Sep 29, 2019, at 8:44 PM, Edwin Locklin <elocklin@...> wrote:

MIke,
 
I wonder why they didn’t return this locomotive back to the basement of the Cyclorama building in Grant Park.
 
Ed Locklin at mp367.
 
 
 
 
From: Mike Pierry, Jr.
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 9:45 PM
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Southeastern Railway Museum
 
Jason is technically correct. The display was however,
<SIX_81694385-4745-4B0C-96D2-0C0DE44FFA00.jpg>
designed to make viewing the locomotive possible without entering the building.
I attach my photo from earlier this year.
 
Mike Pierry, Jr.
 
On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 9:05 PM Jason Greene <jason.p.greene@...> wrote:
Actually, it is inside the museum. You can see it from the outside.

Jason Greene

On Sep 28, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Mike Pierry, Jr. <mpierryjr@...> wrote:

Have you considered visiting the Texas? It is displayed behind glass on the outside of the History Museum in Buckhead.
 
Mike Pierry, Jr.
 
On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 4:49 PM David Friedlander <davidjfriedlander@...> wrote:
Hey all,

I am visiting Atlanta for a few days next week and on Thursday, I am planning to make a trip for the first time to the Southeastern Railway Museum in Duluth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Railway_Museum

I plan to see everything thats publicly open, but is there anything I should make sure I don't miss?

If I have extra time, does anyone need any photos or measurements of anything at the museum?

Thanks,
David Friedlander

moderated Re: Southeastern Railway Museum

Jason Greene
 

Building at Grant park is gone. It is now the Safari exhibit of the zoo. 

The cyclorama was restored and is now at the history center too. It is in a two story building to the left of the Texas in the picture posted earlier. The Texas and a future exhibit on the 1996 Olympics are between the main museum and the new cyclorama building. 

Jason Greene 

On Sep 29, 2019, at 8:44 PM, Edwin Locklin <elocklin@...> wrote:

MIke,
 
I wonder why they didn’t return this locomotive back to the basement of the Cyclorama building in Grant Park.
 
Ed Locklin at mp367.
 
 
 
 
From: Mike Pierry, Jr.
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 9:45 PM
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Southeastern Railway Museum
 
Jason is technically correct. The display was however,
<SIX_81694385-4745-4B0C-96D2-0C0DE44FFA00.jpg>
designed to make viewing the locomotive possible without entering the building.
I attach my photo from earlier this year.
 
Mike Pierry, Jr.
 
On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 9:05 PM Jason Greene <jason.p.greene@...> wrote:
Actually, it is inside the museum. You can see it from the outside.

Jason Greene

On Sep 28, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Mike Pierry, Jr. <mpierryjr@...> wrote:

Have you considered visiting the Texas? It is displayed behind glass on the outside of the History Museum in Buckhead.
 
Mike Pierry, Jr.
 
On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 4:49 PM David Friedlander <davidjfriedlander@...> wrote:
Hey all,

I am visiting Atlanta for a few days next week and on Thursday, I am planning to make a trip for the first time to the Southeastern Railway Museum in Duluth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Railway_Museum

I plan to see everything thats publicly open, but is there anything I should make sure I don't miss?

If I have extra time, does anyone need any photos or measurements of anything at the museum?

Thanks,
David Friedlander

moderated Re: Southeastern Railway Museum

 

MIke,
 
I wonder why they didn’t return this locomotive back to the basement of the Cyclorama building in Grant Park.
 
Ed Locklin at mp367.
 
 
 
 

From: Mike Pierry, Jr.
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 9:45 PM
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Southeastern Railway Museum
 
Jason is technically correct. The display was however,
designed to make viewing the locomotive possible without entering the building.
I attach my photo from earlier this year.
 
Mike Pierry, Jr.
 
On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 9:05 PM Jason Greene <jason.p.greene@...> wrote:
Actually, it is inside the museum. You can see it from the outside.

Jason Greene

On Sep 28, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Mike Pierry, Jr. <mpierryjr@...> wrote:

Have you considered visiting the Texas? It is displayed behind glass on the outside of the History Museum in Buckhead.
 
Mike Pierry, Jr.
 
On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 4:49 PM David Friedlander <davidjfriedlander@...> wrote:
Hey all,

I am visiting Atlanta for a few days next week and on Thursday, I am planning to make a trip for the first time to the Southeastern Railway Museum in Duluth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Railway_Museum

I plan to see everything thats publicly open, but is there anything I should make sure I don't miss?

If I have extra time, does anyone need any photos or measurements of anything at the museum?

Thanks,
David Friedlander

moderated Re: Southeastern Railway Museum

David Friedlander
 

Mike,

Cool photo.  I had no idea that's there. I will have to see if the friend I'm staying with wants to venture over there.  He is into history a good bit, so its a good possibility we can detour that way.

David


On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 8:45 PM Mike Pierry, Jr. <mpierryjr@...> wrote:
Have you considered visiting the Texas? It is displayed behind glass on the outside of the History Museum in Buckhead.

Mike Pierry, Jr.

On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 4:49 PM David Friedlander <davidjfriedlander@...> wrote:
Hey all,

I am visiting Atlanta for a few days next week and on Thursday, I am planning to make a trip for the first time to the Southeastern Railway Museum in Duluth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Railway_Museum

I plan to see everything thats publicly open, but is there anything I should make sure I don't miss?

If I have extra time, does anyone need any photos or measurements of anything at the museum?

Thanks,
David Friedlander

moderated Re: Southeastern Railway Museum

Mike Pierry, Jr.
 

Jason is technically correct. The display was however,
designed to make viewing the locomotive possible without entering the building.
I attach my photo from earlier this year.

Mike Pierry, Jr.

On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 9:05 PM Jason Greene <jason.p.greene@...> wrote:
Actually, it is inside the museum. You can see it from the outside. 

Jason Greene 

On Sep 28, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Mike Pierry, Jr. <mpierryjr@...> wrote:

Have you considered visiting the Texas? It is displayed behind glass on the outside of the History Museum in Buckhead.

Mike Pierry, Jr.

On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 4:49 PM David Friedlander <davidjfriedlander@...> wrote:
Hey all,

I am visiting Atlanta for a few days next week and on Thursday, I am planning to make a trip for the first time to the Southeastern Railway Museum in Duluth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Railway_Museum

I plan to see everything thats publicly open, but is there anything I should make sure I don't miss?

If I have extra time, does anyone need any photos or measurements of anything at the museum?

Thanks,
David Friedlander

moderated Re: Southeastern Railway Museum

Jason Greene
 

Actually, it is inside the museum. You can see it from the outside. 

Jason Greene 

On Sep 28, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Mike Pierry, Jr. <mpierryjr@...> wrote:

Have you considered visiting the Texas? It is displayed behind glass on the outside of the History Museum in Buckhead.

Mike Pierry, Jr.

On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 4:49 PM David Friedlander <davidjfriedlander@...> wrote:
Hey all,

I am visiting Atlanta for a few days next week and on Thursday, I am planning to make a trip for the first time to the Southeastern Railway Museum in Duluth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Railway_Museum

I plan to see everything thats publicly open, but is there anything I should make sure I don't miss?

If I have extra time, does anyone need any photos or measurements of anything at the museum?

Thanks,
David Friedlander

moderated Re: Southeastern Railway Museum

Mike Pierry, Jr.
 

Have you considered visiting the Texas? It is displayed behind glass on the outside of the History Museum in Buckhead.

Mike Pierry, Jr.

On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 4:49 PM David Friedlander <davidjfriedlander@...> wrote:
Hey all,

I am visiting Atlanta for a few days next week and on Thursday, I am planning to make a trip for the first time to the Southeastern Railway Museum in Duluth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Railway_Museum

I plan to see everything thats publicly open, but is there anything I should make sure I don't miss?

If I have extra time, does anyone need any photos or measurements of anything at the museum?

Thanks,
David Friedlander

moderated Southeastern Railway Museum

David Friedlander
 

Hey all,

I am visiting Atlanta for a few days next week and on Thursday, I am planning to make a trip for the first time to the Southeastern Railway Museum in Duluth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Railway_Museum

I plan to see everything thats publicly open, but is there anything I should make sure I don't miss?

If I have extra time, does anyone need any photos or measurements of anything at the museum?

Thanks,
David Friedlander

moderated Pullman Co data in the SRHA Archives

George Eichelberger
 

 As we continue to organize the material in the SRHA archives, new topic "categories" to be researched are discovered at virtually every archives work session.

Box 543 (Files 10,753 through 10,756) is one of several that contain correspondence to and from President E.E. Norris and the Pullman Co. Many items track the decline of passenger services after WWII but others include information on other significant events. Everyone is probably aware of much military traffic the railroad handled during WWII but the Korean War presented some of the same issues to railroads and the Pullman Co. At the same Pullman was preparing to reduce equipment and services, they were asked to put cars back in service for Gov't use.

The attached three-page letter to officers of the "Pullman Contract Railroads" dated September 29, 1950 describes the need to refurbish 321 "NAC" (non-air conditioned) tourist cars.

Ike

PS The next SRHA archives work session will be next Friday and Saturday. It is the same weekend as the L&NHS convention so several of us will be starting Thursday afternoon through Sunday afternoon. Among other L&NHS activities, Southern 4501 will appear as an L&N 2-8-2 (headlight, whistle and lettering) for a trip into N. GA. Everyone is welcome to register for the convention and visit and work in the archives.

moderated Re: Nashville-NYC sleeper on the Tennesseean

C J Wyatt
 

Ike, you misread it. 

The line was getting truncated to Bristol, so it did not run to NY. However by 1943, that line no. 2650 was extended to Washington DC and continued so (not sure what happened when the short Pullman lines were stopped later in the war) for a while after the war before getting cut back to Bristol again.

Jack Wyatt

On Saturday, August 31, 2019, 05:46:51 PM EDT, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:


Something for the Official Guide fans among us. From Southern Railway Presidents' file Boxes 490 & 491, Files 10275, 78, 81 & 82 (884 scans).

Did the service actually begin? If so, obviously, with a connection at Chattanooga. Did the car stay on the Tennessean north of Bristol to DC or change to an N&W train? If so, how did it get to NYC?

Ike 

moderated Re: Nashville-NYC sleeper on the Tennesseean

Robert Hanson
 

Ike - 

A "quick-and-dirty" check of the Guide shows that the service did, indeed, begin and it was a Bristol-Nashville service.

Service was provided by a 12Sec-1DR sleeper.

How long the service lasted, I don't know.  The Guide I checked was from April of 1949 and showed the car as originating and terminating at Bristol, with no service beyond to New York City. (at least on the Nashville car.)

This was in 1949, though.  The car may have gone through in earlier years.  (Just checked - the December 1941 Guide also shows the car terminating and originating at Bristol.)

That's what I found with a nickel's worth of research.

Bob Hanson
Loganville, GA


-----Original Message-----
From: George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
To: main <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Aug 31, 2019 5:47 pm
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Nashville-NYC sleeper on the Tennesseean

Something for the Official Guide fans among us. From Southern Railway Presidents' file Boxes 490 & 491, Files 10275, 78, 81 & 82 (884 scans).

Did the service actually begin? If so, obviously, with a connection at Chattanooga. Did the car stay on the Tennessean north of Bristol to DC or change to an N&W train? If so, how did it get to NYC?

Ike 

moderated Nashville-NYC sleeper on the Tennesseean

George Eichelberger
 

Something for the Official Guide fans among us. From Southern Railway Presidents' file Boxes 490 & 491, Files 10275, 78, 81 & 82 (884 scans).

Did the service actually begin? If so, obviously, with a connection at Chattanooga. Did the car stay on the Tennessean north of Bristol to DC or change to an N&W train? If so, how did it get to NYC?

Ike 

moderated Re: Wright Trak models

George Eichelberger
 

Oooops!

I’m wrong…TVRM Founders Day is not the same weekend as the L&N&H and archives work session..it;s the 7th. Good reason to go to TVRM twice.

Ike


On Aug 29, 2019, at 8:05 PM, Warren Calloway <wcalloway@...> wrote:

I was under the impression that they bought all the Southern related Wright Trak models, but I may be wrong!

Warren Calloway


On Aug 29, 2019, at 6:57 PM, Gary Olszewski <go.1955@...> wrote:

Hi,

 I was directed to this group from members of the IC Modelers group on IO. I have two Wright Trak IC Centralia Porch caboose models and one of them is missing the underframe. A member said the Southern Society has purchased all of Wright Trak's molds. If this is true how can  I go about obtaining my missing part? If this information is incorrect, can anyone direct me in contacting Gary or someone who might be able to help.
 I have also sent a note to Gary at the Georgia address on the box and I'm waiting for a response.

Thanks for any help in this matter,
Gary Olszewski