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moderated Re: A Silverside off-line?

mike turner
 

My guess: the hopper was newly built and was being routed to the nearest SOU interchange point for delivery to SOU.

Mike Turner

MP-Z35

moderated Re: A Silverside off-line?

Dick Fisher
 

They were built in Birmingham.

On 12/15/2018 7:41 PM, mike turner wrote:
My guess: the hopper was newly built and was being routed to the nearest SOU interchange point for delivery to SOU.

Mike Turner

MP-Z35



moderated Re: A Silverside off-line?

Jim King
 

Another point re: this 1960 shot of Silverside and N&W 475 I just sent:  the last steam on N&W was in Williamson WV, a lowly 0-8-0, in May 1960.  I don’t know if 475 was serviceable to be run-under-power to a special event as indicated by the Bristol shots.  Steam was replaced in Bristol in 1959.

 

Jim King

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 

moderated Re: A Silverside off-line?

Jim King
 

This is the other end of the Silverside shot.  475 was dolled up for the famous 1957 NRHS convention and used for special occasions afterward and stored in Shaffer’s Crossing r/h in between.  It now runs on the Strasburg.  Given the early September date, this could also be an NRHS convention or just a joint N&W/SOU PR thing.

 

Jim King

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 

moderated Re: A Silverside off-line?

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Thanks for the insights, Jim.


Scott Chatfield

moderated Re: A Silverside off-line?

George Eichelberger
 

I asked Ed King if he knew anything about the photo. He did not except to say he did not think it was in Bristol.

Ed would certainly know, he is "Mr Steam" and from Bristol.

Ike

moderated Howell Jct Contract

George Eichelberger
 

I've mentioned that there are 1,000+ contracts and agreements in the SRHA archives. Now that most of the archives moving and construction projects are done...thanks to TVRM and many SRHA volunteers, we can get back to  scanning and organizing them along with everything else in the collection. I've attached an example between the NC&StL and the Southern covering "Maintenance of existing crossings and construction and maintenance of new crossings at Howell, Ga." Contracts typically include a lot of "boilerplate" language we see over and over. Many also include maps about what the agreement covers. SR file contract number 1157 dated 2-11-52 includes the track layout at Howell. Jct in Atlanta.

Next year's SRHA work session dates are shown on the web at www.srha.net. We are close to filling up the 6,000 sq. ft. on the building's ground floor so there is plenty of research material and organizing to do in 2019. We can be at the archives other days but only if someone lets us know their plans via an email to archives@....

Ike

moderated Re: A Silverside off-line?

Jim King
 

I own this color negative and the envelope it came in was dated and stated Bristol.  The brick building behind the Silverside gon also looks like the yard office that’s still there but there’s very little to use for “proof”, just the brick construction and a little of the building’s shape.

 

Jim King

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 

moderated Re: A Silverside off-line?

George Eichelberger
 

Jim:

I don't know myself but info from Ed King is "take it to the bank" stuff.

Ike

moderated Broad River interlocking and...a station?

Doug Alexander
 

The attached photo appeared in the 2010 Sept-Oct edition of TIES.  This was the issue with the stories about the introduction of AC signaling to the Southern.  This photo ran on the back page and was captioned as being "Tower fixture at Broad River",  I knew that there was an interlocking at Broad River, on the southern end of the bridge, I think.  But what really intrigues me is what appears to be the corner of a passenger shelter on the right side of the photo.  I plan on modeling the Broad River bridge, and I'd like to know what, besides the control tower,. was there.  I;m modeling 1941, but I'm interested in whatever was there at any time in Southern's history.  Thanks in advance! 

 

Doug Alexander
Atlanta 

moderated WRP's new Southern Railway book

Curt Fortenberry
 


I just received my copy of the new Southern Railway book from White River Productions.  I haven't seen much mention of it here, but you certainly get your money's worth.  Excellent color photography.

Curt Fortenberry

moderated Re: WRP's new Southern Railway book

Warren Calloway
 

I have ordered one, but has not arrived yet! Heard good things about it. 

Warren


On Dec 20, 2018, at 6:19 PM, Curt Fortenberry <curtfortenberry@...> wrote:


I just received my copy of the new Southern Railway book from White River Productions.  I haven't seen much mention of it here, but you certainly get your money's worth.  Excellent color photography.

Curt Fortenberry

moderated Re: WRP's new Southern Railway book

Jason Greene
 

I believe I’ll be getting one for Christmas. If not I’ll order one myself. 

Jason Greene 

On Dec 20, 2018, at 6:51 PM, Warren Calloway <wcalloway@...> wrote:

I have ordered one, but has not arrived yet! Heard good things about it. 

Warren


On Dec 20, 2018, at 6:19 PM, Curt Fortenberry <curtfortenberry@...> wrote:


I just received my copy of the new Southern Railway book from White River Productions.  I haven't seen much mention of it here, but you certainly get your money's worth.  Excellent color photography.

Curt Fortenberry

moderated Re: WRP's new Southern Railway book

D. Scott Chatfield
 

My buddy Boras Rosser got his a couple days ago and while he wishes there was more coverage of the secondary lines, especially here in Georgia, he's happy with it.  I'm hoping Santa leaves one under the tree.


Scott Chatfield

moderated Re: WRP's new Southern Railway book

James
 

I received mine from WRP weeks ago.  I have scanned thru it and really enjoyed seeing some photos not published before.
I have to agree I wish there was more coverage of certain areas but this is offset by photos from areas not seen before.

I am really pleased with this book, at 200+ pages it was definitely worth it.


James Wall
Rural Hall, NC



moderated Re: WRP's new Southern Railway book

George Eichelberger
 

Scott:

I have not seen the book yet but knowing some of the most knowledgable people put it together, I am certain it is excellent.

I have had the same problem with Southern, or Southeastern railroad books for years. Authors have always been “too busy” or “facing a deadline” to spend some serious research time in the SRHA archives. For example, when the Midwest-Florida books were in production, I explained that there was a considerable amount of material on the IC-CG passenger trains in the collection, including things like the equipment utilization contract between the two railroads, operating data and correspondence when the Central was trying (somewhat desperately) to add one of their cars to the IC train’s consist for additional mileage fees. None of the CG material made it into the book.

Among other projects, we are going through the finding aids for the SR Presidents’ files to see if they need additional finding aids so they can be put on-line for keyword searches. With something like 10,000 different files already identified, we can assume there are not many SR topics that are not covered. Add those files to the 1,000+ contract books, Valuation papers, etc. and the data available is multiplied.

What is needed are people interested in SR history that are willing to help organize, catalog, research and write articles that will make use of the resources in the new archives building. (The many tens of thousands of photos and SR/CG drawings have as much potential.)

The 2019 SRHA Archives work session dates are on www.srha.net now. We are not limited to those dates but we simply need to know when anyone wants to visit the archives to try to make arrangements (archives@...).

The SRHA 2019 convention will be the same dates as the NMRA SER meet in Chattanooga. We plan to officially open the archives that weekend. Between the NMRA and SRHA conventions, the archives and of course TVRM, what better reason to get to Chattanooga could there be?

Ike

On Dec 20, 2018, at 10:30 PM, D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...> wrote:

My buddy Boras Rosser got his a couple days ago and while he wishes there was more coverage of the secondary lines, especially here in Georgia, he's happy with it.  I'm hoping Santa leaves one under the tree.


Scott Chatfield

moderated Re: WRP's new Southern Railway book

David Friedlander
 

Ike,

Since I don't actually know the answer...is there a process in place to just go ahead and do a blanket digital scan of everything in the Archives into a computer?  Tied to that, are scans being ran through OCR software to allow the scans's individual words to be searchable?  This would probably help the research phase of things big time.

I ask as scanning would open the door for a few things:
1. Redundancy of the Archives' Contents in case of fire, theft, lawsuit, etc.
2. Preservation of any documents that contain paper that has extremely aged, damaged, etc. and its lifespan is limited.
3. Opens up the ability for many more folks to organize, catalog, research, and write articles for the SRHA, etc. by removing the geographic requirement of needing to live near or visit Chattanooga.
4. As previously mentioned, if OCR'ed, this would make far easier to search key words in the text of all of the documents.

Just a question and a thought.

David Friedlander
NY, NY

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 9:36 AM George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
Scott:

I have not seen the book yet but knowing some of the most knowledgable people put it together, I am certain it is excellent.

I have had the same problem with Southern, or Southeastern railroad books for years. Authors have always been “too busy” or “facing a deadline” to spend some serious research time in the SRHA archives. For example, when the Midwest-Florida books were in production, I explained that there was a considerable amount of material on the IC-CG passenger trains in the collection, including things like the equipment utilization contract between the two railroads, operating data and correspondence when the Central was trying (somewhat desperately) to add one of their cars to the IC train’s consist for additional mileage fees. None of the CG material made it into the book.

Among other projects, we are going through the finding aids for the SR Presidents’ files to see if they need additional finding aids so they can be put on-line for keyword searches. With something like 10,000 different files already identified, we can assume there are not many SR topics that are not covered. Add those files to the 1,000+ contract books, Valuation papers, etc. and the data available is multiplied.

What is needed are people interested in SR history that are willing to help organize, catalog, research and write articles that will make use of the resources in the new archives building. (The many tens of thousands of photos and SR/CG drawings have as much potential.)

The 2019 SRHA Archives work session dates are on www.srha.net now. We are not limited to those dates but we simply need to know when anyone wants to visit the archives to try to make arrangements (archives@...).

The SRHA 2019 convention will be the same dates as the NMRA SER meet in Chattanooga. We plan to officially open the archives that weekend. Between the NMRA and SRHA conventions, the archives and of course TVRM, what better reason to get to Chattanooga could there be?

Ike

On Dec 20, 2018, at 10:30 PM, D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...> wrote:

My buddy Boras Rosser got his a couple days ago and while he wishes there was more coverage of the secondary lines, especially here in Georgia, he's happy with it.  I'm hoping Santa leaves one under the tree.


Scott Chatfield

moderated Archives Issues....,

George Eichelberger
 

David:

Your points, and questions are excellent. Let me take a stab at an answer…..

Yes, there is the concept of multiple “processes” to organize, scan, make available for researchers and publish material from the SRHA archives. The issue is the resources (people and hardware) to do that work.

It is hard to describe the extent of the SRHA archives much less to estimate how much work needs to be done. I cannot make a complete list but we did weigh everything for the move to Chattanooga…the total was 30 Tons not including the Spacesaver shelving. The good news is that we already have many items scanned at archival resolution (3,261 diesel drawings, 5,889 diesel photo negatives, 3,604 SR steam photos, etc.) Everything is stored on redundant (and some remote) hard drives. That still leaves many thousands of photos, drawings and documents to do.

At this point, we give priority to scan items needed for TIES, specific research projects and model manufacturers’ requests for information. We have not “OCRd” many items yet as just getting scans done takes a lot of time. (We can get assistance from folks away from Chattanooga with things like OCR once scans can be sent.)

Re your items:
1. The new building is about as fireproof as possible. We want as much “electrical” disconnected as possible when no one is there.
2. There are many documents that are more than 100 years old. Some are very difficult to scan and many cannot use a document feeder because of their age and condition.
3. Any task that can be done remotely is good.

We have several important items that are not resolved. Access and use of the material is a biggie. Obviously, we want the collection to be used (I estimate people will care about historical information on the Southern for maybe the next twenty years?) but the cost to acquire and maintain the collection needs to be considered. For example, in the past ten years or so individual SRHA members and NS have paid at least $100,000 to purchase various private collections. How do we reconcile/afford acquiring and maintaining the archives if we make everything freely available? No one wants to see the ridiculous prices that appear so common today but we must find a balance between the two. (Investment in the new building exceeds $1M.)

IMHO, the Internet is making this question more difficult. People expect to find everything on the ’net at no cost. I sit in on many presentations where the only items shown are pulled from an Internet browser. No actual research beyond Google.

At the Collinsville RPM, people from at least a dozen RR historical groups described the issues they thought most important. There was nearly a 100% correlation between what everyone was thinking about…we didn’t have many answers but all recognized how important the issues are.

Every historical groups’ archive or library needs input and help, cash and labor, to figure this stuff out.

I’d love to hear any comments, on or off list as anyone prefers.

Ike




On Dec 21, 2018, at 12:13 PM, David Friedlander <davidjfriedlander@...> wrote:

Ike,

Since I don't actually know the answer...is there a process in place to just go ahead and do a blanket digital scan of everything in the Archives into a computer?  Tied to that, are scans being ran through OCR software to allow the scans's individual words to be searchable?  This would probably help the research phase of things big time.

I ask as scanning would open the door for a few things:
1. Redundancy of the Archives' Contents in case of fire, theft, lawsuit, etc.
2. Preservation of any documents that contain paper that has extremely aged, damaged, etc. and its lifespan is limited.
3. Opens up the ability for many more folks to organize, catalog, research, and write articles for the SRHA, etc. by removing the geographic requirement of needing to live near or visit Chattanooga.
4. As previously mentioned, if OCR'ed, this would make far easier to search key words in the text of all of the documents.

Just a question and a thought.

David Friedlander
NY, NY

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 9:36 AM George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
Scott:

I have not seen the book yet but knowing some of the most knowledgable people put it together, I am certain it is excellent.

I have had the same problem with Southern, or Southeastern railroad books for years. Authors have always been “too busy” or “facing a deadline” to spend some serious research time in the SRHA archives. For example, when the Midwest-Florida books were in production, I explained that there was a considerable amount of material on the IC-CG passenger trains in the collection, including things like the equipment utilization contract between the two railroads, operating data and correspondence when the Central was trying (somewhat desperately) to add one of their cars to the IC train’s consist for additional mileage fees. None of the CG material made it into the book.

Among other projects, we are going through the finding aids for the SR Presidents’ files to see if they need additional finding aids so they can be put on-line for keyword searches. With something like 10,000 different files already identified, we can assume there are not many SR topics that are not covered. Add those files to the 1,000+ contract books, Valuation papers, etc. and the data available is multiplied.

What is needed are people interested in SR history that are willing to help organize, catalog, research and write articles that will make use of the resources in the new archives building. (The many tens of thousands of photos and SR/CG drawings have as much potential.)

The 2019 SRHA Archives work session dates are on www.srha.net now. We are not limited to those dates but we simply need to know when anyone wants to visit the archives to try to make arrangements (archives@...).

The SRHA 2019 convention will be the same dates as the NMRA SER meet in Chattanooga. We plan to officially open the archives that weekend. Between the NMRA and SRHA conventions, the archives and of course TVRM, what better reason to get to Chattanooga could there be?

Ike

On Dec 20, 2018, at 10:30 PM, D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...> wrote:

My buddy Boras Rosser got his a couple days ago and while he wishes there was more coverage of the secondary lines, especially here in Georgia, he's happy with it.  I'm hoping Santa leaves one under the tree.


Scott Chatfield




moderated Index to Southern contracts Vol XII

George Eichelberger
 

Here are three links to essentially the same file on Google, Drive. They are tiff, jpeg and a zip versions of the scans for the index to Southern Contracts Volume XII. There are approximately 28 Volumes of bound contracts in the SRHA archives, Vol. XII is dated June 30, 1918. It includes all contracts in effect at that time. When a contract expired was cancelled or replaced it simply dropped out of the following volume’s index.

Any contracts begun after 6-30-1918 are found in later volumes. If there is enough interest, we can scan and publish the index to Vol 28. Those two will provide a fair idea of all of the various SR contracts, trackage rights, agreements and joint facilities.

The jpeg version is about 320 Mb, the full 300 dpi resolution version is 783Mb and the zipped version of the jpeg folder is 185Mb.

If someone will volunteer, the tiff version can be “OCRd” to give a fully searchable text version.

The three Google Drive links are:




Ike

moderated Re: Index to Southern contracts Vol XII

David Friedlander
 

So I will attempt the OCR "assignment". 

I will say that I was able to OCR the first jpeg (not TIFF) image in a matter of 20 seconds just by opening the image up in Google Documents. It created a document with 2 pages - one with the image and second with the text.  I had to fix 2 letters because they were not crisp enough in the image.  Not exactly what I had in mind... I was hoping for a searchable PDF, but I will see what else I can do with what you gave us and throw it in my Google Drive to provide back to you to distribute back out to everyone.  Maybe I convert the image to PDF and then see if OCR will work on that.

David Friedlander


On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 3:37 PM George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
Here are three links to essentially the same file on Google, Drive. They are tiff, jpeg and a zip versions of the scans for the index to Southern Contracts Volume XII. There are approximately 28 Volumes of bound contracts in the SRHA archives, Vol. XII is dated June 30, 1918. It includes all contracts in effect at that time. When a contract expired was cancelled or replaced it simply dropped out of the following volume’s index.

Any contracts begun after 6-30-1918 are found in later volumes. If there is enough interest, we can scan and publish the index to Vol 28. Those two will provide a fair idea of all of the various SR contracts, trackage rights, agreements and joint facilities.

The jpeg version is about 320 Mb, the full 300 dpi resolution version is 783Mb and the zipped version of the jpeg folder is 185Mb.

If someone will volunteer, the tiff version can be “OCRd” to give a fully searchable text version.

The three Google Drive links are:




Ike