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moderated Re: Jim Crow Coaches & 1401

Cohen Bob
 

Bill:

Based upon everything I have read and learned here, the painting not being quite right (or maybe even right at all?), is sure believable. That said, what about the "shopping" referred to earlier in this thread? As I said, it reportedly was NOT shopped, but cosmetically restored to sit fat and pretty, stuffed and mounted in the Smithsonian.

As for the Oracle ...... he was 12 at the time of the 1401 move, and, of course, getting heavily interested in everything SR. An aunt or cousin who he stayed with often had their home just a few blocks from the station and he spent a lot of his non-school, waking hours there, watching, learning, etc., for the lifelong memories. I am planning on attending a SR/NS employee/former employee get-together in Lynchburg in 4 weeks and that might be a question for those gathered there. Next time I see the Oracle, I'll try to remember to ask him. Maybe we'll get lucky and he will know for sure as he met, talked with and interviewed and socialized with many employees and made friends with them.

The movable curtain may have been a B&O thing when in WV and VA and that may be where I heard it in reference. Then again, it might have been from G. Lawson Clark (remember him), who, when prodded would relate lots of little this's and that's about segregation and sectional seating. Lawson has been gone now for 23 years by the way.

Bob Cohen

moderated Re: Jim Crow Coaches & 1401

Bob P.
 

Just want to say, I'm learning a lot from these threads. Out of curiosity, I know a few other museums, like NCTM, have Southern Jim Crow cars in their collection; has anyone else restored one and opened it to visitors? Seems like it would be a good way to dispel some of the misconceptions we've discussed here.

moderated Re: Jim Crow Coaches

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Why can’t a white guy write the article?  Ike, you have the evidence, that’s reason enough to set the facts right, just as much as a young black woman had the reason to refuse to move from her seat on a bus. The color of skin should not matter in either case. 

Why should you be hesitant to set the record straight? Preserving accurate portrayals of the facts is what historical societies should be doing!

I’ll donate $100 to SRHA if Smithsonian posts your article. My money is where my mouth is.

Dave

Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone

On Apr 7, 2019, at 9:04 PM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

The description of the Jim Crow car is unacceptable! We have an entire file of hand written notes from Southern Conductors that were forced to move families as their trains entered or left Jim Crow states saying how wrong the practice was. Let set the stage circa 1960s…..”white” conductors saying Jim Crow laws were wrong that worked for a company with its charter in Richmond.

I told Bill Withun about the Union Station washrooms and showed him the notes from conductors. His response was to ask me to write an article for the Smithsonian Magazine because my description of the Southern Railway’s attitudes about race were probably not what people would expect. I told him as a “white guy” I was probably not the right person for such an article.

After knowing how much information the Smithsonian had from SRHA and then to read the crap on their web site about the car has to be dealt with…and will be!

Ike

On Apr 7, 2019, at 8:41 PM, Ed Mims <wemims@...> wrote:

The article about this car is a disgrace and something that an institution like the Smithsonian should be ashamed of. As Ike said it is pure BS. 

The history of Jim Crow Laws and the treatment of African Americans is not what is in question here.

Ed Mims


On Apr 7, 2019, at 4:23 PM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Ed and everyone…..

Please run the link to Smithsonian.com at the beginning of this post and read what they say about the car…..

Total BS not worthy of them!

Ike


On Apr 7, 2019, at 3:44 PM, Ed Mims <wemims@...> wrote:

I think Floquil had a color they called “Coach Green “ which is close to the color The Smithsonian used. They should know to check things like this.

Ed Mims


On Apr 7, 2019, at 11:22 AM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

According to the car specs it was Pullman Green No.4.  Sides and roof.  
Also if you look at the Passenger Car Diagram Book, by Bill Schafer although the restrooms in the 1200 are not labeled colored or white on page 58 the PS Jim Crow cars from 1940, 900-905 inclusive, the large restrooms were labeled Colored.  Also on page 77 these partitioned cars, from 1934, also had the larger restrooms labeled colored. I doubt if SR had changed that designation when 1200 was rebuilt in the 1930.  Plus the Jim Crow cars were some of the first cars that SR AC'ed after the dining cars in the mid 1930"s.  I believe that the Smithsonian got it wrong.  
Fenton

On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 10:31 AM George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
We can dig through the specs on the rebuilds, or better yet ask George Walker at TVRM, but I prefer to say (maybe incorrectly) the passenger car color is "Southern" green rather than "Pullman". Very close but not exactly the same thing. Does anyone have specifc info?




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Pinehurst NC 28374
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moderated Re: Jim Crow Coaches

Robert Hanson
 

I agree with Dave.

The facts have no color.  The truth is the truth, no matter who utters (or writes) it.

Go for it, Ike.

Bob Hanson
Loganville, GA


-----Original Message-----
From: A&Y Dave in MD <dbott@...>
To: main <main@southernrailway.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Apr 8, 2019 4:11 pm
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Jim Crow Coaches

Why can’t a white guy write the article?  Ike, you have the evidence, that’s reason enough to set the facts right, just as much as a young black woman had the reason to refuse to move from her seat on a bus. The color of skin should not matter in either case. 

Why should you be hesitant to set the record straight? Preserving accurate portrayals of the facts is what historical societies should be doing!

I’ll donate $100 to SRHA if Smithsonian posts your article. My money is where my mouth is.

Dave

Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone

On Apr 7, 2019, at 9:04 PM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

The description of the Jim Crow car is unacceptable! We have an entire file of hand written notes from Southern Conductors that were forced to move families as their trains entered or left Jim Crow states saying how wrong the practice was. Let set the stage circa 1960s…..”white” conductors saying Jim Crow laws were wrong that worked for a company with its charter in Richmond.

I told Bill Withun about the Union Station washrooms and showed him the notes from conductors. His response was to ask me to write an article for the Smithsonian Magazine because my description of the Southern Railway’s attitudes about race were probably not what people would expect. I told him as a “white guy” I was probably not the right person for such an article.

After knowing how much information the Smithsonian had from SRHA and then to read the crap on their web site about the car has to be dealt with…and will be!

Ike

On Apr 7, 2019, at 8:41 PM, Ed Mims <wemims@...> wrote:

The article about this car is a disgrace and something that an institution like the Smithsonian should be ashamed of. As Ike said it is pure BS. 

The history of Jim Crow Laws and the treatment of African Americans is not what is in question here.

Ed Mims


On Apr 7, 2019, at 4:23 PM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Ed and everyone…..

Please run the link to Smithsonian.com at the beginning of this post and read what they say about the car…..

Total BS not worthy of them!

Ike


On Apr 7, 2019, at 3:44 PM, Ed Mims <wemims@...> wrote:

I think Floquil had a color they called “Coach Green “ which is close to the color The Smithsonian used. They should know to check things like this.

Ed Mims


On Apr 7, 2019, at 11:22 AM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

According to the car specs it was Pullman Green No.4.  Sides and roof.  
Also if you look at the Passenger Car Diagram Book, by Bill Schafer although the restrooms in the 1200 are not labeled colored or white on page 58 the PS Jim Crow cars from 1940, 900-905 inclusive, the large restrooms were labeled Colored.  Also on page 77 these partitioned cars, from 1934, also had the larger restrooms labeled colored. I doubt if SR had changed that designation when 1200 was rebuilt in the 1930.  Plus the Jim Crow cars were some of the first cars that SR AC'ed after the dining cars in the mid 1930"s.  I believe that the Smithsonian got it wrong.  
Fenton

On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 10:31 AM George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
We can dig through the specs on the rebuilds, or better yet ask George Walker at TVRM, but I prefer to say (maybe incorrectly) the passenger car color is "Southern" green rather than "Pullman". Very close but not exactly the same thing. Does anyone have specifc info?




--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


moderated Re: Jim Crow Coaches

George Eichelberger
 

Dave:

You are correct of course. My thought when I made that comment to Bill Withun was the entire question of segregation on the Southern needed someone with a broad knowledge of the subject…not necessairly direct personal knowledge. Part of my logic was not wanting the message to be dulled or misinterpreted by anyone thinking the author was "grinding his own axe" with the story.

After another few years of being deeply involved in gathering and organizing Southern Railway history, it is clear to me that FACTS are all that matter. SRHA has no authority to speak for the Southern, now NS but we may have the “purest” reason to call out the Smithsonian for what I see as a gross ignorance of historical data (those pesky facts) by allowing someone to spin a story out of thin air about how colored travelers had to contend with their luggage piled on the floor around them.

Fighting and suing Kennesaw initially looked impossible. They cost us money and time but they knew the facts were on our side and we would not give up….. I (and others) think that may be the case with the Smithsonian now.

More as things develop….

Ike

On Apr 8, 2019, at 4:11 PM, A&Y Dave in MD <dbott@...> wrote:

Why can’t a white guy write the article?  Ike, you have the evidence, that’s reason enough to set the facts right, just as much as a young black woman had the reason to refuse to move from her seat on a bus. The color of skin should not matter in either case. 

Why should you be hesitant to set the record straight? Preserving accurate portrayals of the facts is what historical societies should be doing!

I’ll donate $100 to SRHA if Smithsonian posts your article. My money is where my mouth is.

Dave

Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone

On Apr 7, 2019, at 9:04 PM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

The description of the Jim Crow car is unacceptable! We have an entire file of hand written notes from Southern Conductors that were forced to move families as their trains entered or left Jim Crow states saying how wrong the practice was. Let set the stage circa 1960s…..”white” conductors saying Jim Crow laws were wrong that worked for a company with its charter in Richmond.

I told Bill Withun about the Union Station washrooms and showed him the notes from conductors. His response was to ask me to write an article for the Smithsonian Magazine because my description of the Southern Railway’s attitudes about race were probably not what people would expect. I told him as a “white guy” I was probably not the right person for such an article.

After knowing how much information the Smithsonian had from SRHA and then to read the crap on their web site about the car has to be dealt with…and will be!

Ike

On Apr 7, 2019, at 8:41 PM, Ed Mims <wemims@...> wrote:

The article about this car is a disgrace and something that an institution like the Smithsonian should be ashamed of. As Ike said it is pure BS. 

The history of Jim Crow Laws and the treatment of African Americans is not what is in question here.

Ed Mims


On Apr 7, 2019, at 4:23 PM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Ed and everyone…..

Please run the link to Smithsonian.com at the beginning of this post and read what they say about the car…..

Total BS not worthy of them!

Ike


On Apr 7, 2019, at 3:44 PM, Ed Mims <wemims@...> wrote:

I think Floquil had a color they called “Coach Green “ which is close to the color The Smithsonian used. They should know to check things like this.

Ed Mims


On Apr 7, 2019, at 11:22 AM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

According to the car specs it was Pullman Green No.4.  Sides and roof.  
Also if you look at the Passenger Car Diagram Book, by Bill Schafer although the restrooms in the 1200 are not labeled colored or white on page 58 the PS Jim Crow cars from 1940, 900-905 inclusive, the large restrooms were labeled Colored.  Also on page 77 these partitioned cars, from 1934, also had the larger restrooms labeled colored. I doubt if SR had changed that designation when 1200 was rebuilt in the 1930.  Plus the Jim Crow cars were some of the first cars that SR AC'ed after the dining cars in the mid 1930"s.  I believe that the Smithsonian got it wrong.  
Fenton

On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 10:31 AM George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
We can dig through the specs on the rebuilds, or better yet ask George Walker at TVRM, but I prefer to say (maybe incorrectly) the passenger car color is "Southern" green rather than "Pullman". Very close but not exactly the same thing. Does anyone have specifc info?




--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...



moderated Re: Jim Crow Coaches & 1401

Bill Schafer
 

TVRM operates two ex-Central of Georgia Jim Crow coaches in regular service. TVRM 906 is a modernized heavyweight, and the partition is still intact (but the “white” and “colored” designations have been done away with). TVRM 907 is a lightweight Jim Crow coach, and the partition has been removed (but you can tell where it was if you look for it). Each car still has four bathrooms and each has a small plaque explaining what a “Jim Crow” coach is/was.

—Bill

Interior of TVRM 906


Plaque in TVRM 907

On Apr 8, 2019, at 2:19 PM, Bob P. <tomcatter.bob@...> wrote:

Just want to say, I'm learning a lot from these threads. Out of curiosity, I know a few other museums, like NCTM, have Southern Jim Crow cars in their collection; has anyone else restored one and opened it to visitors? Seems like it would be a good way to dispel some of the misconceptions we've discussed here.

moderated Re: Jim Crow Coaches & 1401

Ed Mims
 

The Central of Georgia had two number series of coaches. The 500-series were referred to as partitioned coaches because they had a partition near the center in order to comply with the Jim Crow laws. Rest rooms of near equal size and with the same appointments were located in the four corners of the car (there might have been some slight variations car to car). To my knowledge there were never signs posted in these cars to designate “white” or “colored” ends. In addition, these cars were often used in regular service for white only and/or colored only depending upon the need. My guess is the conductor could decide which end for each race depending on the placement of the car in the train. Colored patrons were usually seated at the forward end of the train and a partitioned coach was used to separate the train by race. The 600-series cars were designated as “full coach” and in later years when modernized had large restrooms, women on one end and men on the opposite end. These cars, like the 500-series never had signs for racial designations.

 

In my memory the only passenger equipment referred to as a “Jim Crow“ car was the car with a center baggage compartment and a passenger section on each end to be used on local trains which carried freight and passengers. I don’t think either end was designated as “white” or “colored” as the car generally would not be turned at the ends of the run. The “colored” passengers would occupy the leading end on the car. The use of the name “Jim Crow” when referring to partitioned coaches is  relatively new.  

 

Ed Mims

 

From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Schafer
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 10:49 PM
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Jim Crow Coaches & 1401

 

TVRM operates two ex-Central of Georgia Jim Crow coaches in regular service. TVRM 906 is a modernized heavyweight, and the partition is still intact (but the “white” and “colored” designations have been done away with). TVRM 907 is a lightweight Jim Crow coach, and the partition has been removed (but you can tell where it was if you look for it). Each car still has four bathrooms and each has a small plaque explaining what a “Jim Crow” coach is/was.

 

—Bill

 

Interior of TVRM 906

 

Plaque in TVRM 907



On Apr 8, 2019, at 2:19 PM, Bob P. <tomcatter.bob@...> wrote:

 

Just want to say, I'm learning a lot from these threads. Out of curiosity, I know a few other museums, like NCTM, have Southern Jim Crow cars in their collection; has anyone else restored one and opened it to visitors? Seems like it would be a good way to dispel some of the misconceptions we've discussed here.

 

moderated JIM CROW AND THE RAILROADS

Ed Mims
 

Attached is the outline of a presentation made at the RPM meeting at Cocoa Beach in 2016 by two excellent railroad historians, Noomi Peterson and Jim Murrie. Their contact information is shown on Page 2. This was an excellent presentation which is well documented and professionally done. They presented the FACTS with no apparent axe to grind. Perhaps someone in this group can forward this to a contact at the Smithsonian for their use. I think Ms. Peterson and Mr. Murrie would be very pleased to help get the facts to anyone who might inquire.

 

Note that the Central of Georgia was the first railroad to end segregation on passenger trains.

 

Ed Mims

moderated Re: JIM CROW AND THE RAILROADS

Michael Young
 

In my 1963 ORG, the CofG has a boldface note in the Nancy Hanks schedule:  "Reserved Coach Seats for White Passengers Only."

Note that the Central of Georgia was the first railroad to end segregation on passenger trains.
 



-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Mims <wemims@...>
To: main <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Apr 9, 2019 9:36 am
Subject: [SouthernRailway] JIM CROW AND THE RAILROADS

Attached is the outline of a presentation made at the RPM meeting at Cocoa Beach in 2016 by two excellent railroad historians, Noomi Peterson and Jim Murrie. Their contact information is shown on Page 2. This was an excellent presentation which is well documented and professionally done. They presented the FACTS with no apparent axe to grind. Perhaps someone in this group can forward this to a contact at the Smithsonian for their use. I think Ms. Peterson and Mr. Murrie would be very pleased to help get the facts to anyone who might inquire.
 
Note that the Central of Georgia was the first railroad to end segregation on passenger trains.
 
Ed Mims

moderated Re: JIM CROW AND THE RAILROADS

Ed Mims
 

Michael Young,

 

I believe you need to know the date of the publication of the time table that the reserved seat statement was published and the date that segregation was ended. They might have over lapped. I do not have that information but do know about the time table wherein the notation you refer to was published. I do not have the time table with the bold face note.

 

My collection of public time tables and Official Guides is small but I do have a Winter 1962-1963 Central of Georgia public time table and it does not refer to reserved seats on the Nancy Hanks in any manner. The Winter 1959-1960 time table contains the sentence: “Deluxe Reclining Seat Coaches—Seats reserved for white passengers.” under the schedule for the NANCY HANKS. Sorry that I can’t offer more information. Perhaps someone on this list can tell us more.

 

The Southern Railway took control of the Central of Georgia in June, 1963 also.

 

Ed Mims

 

From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Young via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2019 10:13 AM
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] JIM CROW AND THE RAILROADS

 

In my 1963 ORG, the CofG has a boldface note in the Nancy Hanks schedule:  "Reserved Coach Seats for White Passengers Only."

 

Note that the Central of Georgia was the first railroad to end segregation on passenger trains.

 



-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Mims <wemims@...>
To: main <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Apr 9, 2019 9:36 am
Subject: [SouthernRailway] JIM CROW AND THE RAILROADS

Attached is the outline of a presentation made at the RPM meeting at Cocoa Beach in 2016 by two excellent railroad historians, Noomi Peterson and Jim Murrie. Their contact information is shown on Page 2. This was an excellent presentation which is well documented and professionally done. They presented the FACTS with no apparent axe to grind. Perhaps someone in this group can forward this to a contact at the Smithsonian for their use. I think Ms. Peterson and Mr. Murrie would be very pleased to help get the facts to anyone who might inquire.

 

Note that the Central of Georgia was the first railroad to end segregation on passenger trains.

 

Ed Mims

 

moderated IN Case You Missed It

Ed Mims
 

moderated Re: IN Case You Missed It

David Payne
 


I hope everyone takes the time to do a search for "Spencer Crew" ...
DPayne


moderated Need gothic/block font decal artwork help

Jim King
 

Is Donnie Dixon’s web site still up?  If not, are his artwork files available somewhere? 

 

I’m finishing artwork for the upcoming O scale 41’6” low side gon kit and need some gothic/block font characters.  I’ve created the full-size road name, road numbers 0-9 and capy/ld lmt/lt wt characters from stenciling diagrams and field measurements on bay windows cabs during my various restoration projects over the past 6-ish years but would like to be able to import a single “font file” where I can just type the lines I want instead of having to place each character in Solidworks’ assembly file, then create a 2D file for my decal printer.

 

Jim King

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 


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moderated Re: Need gothic/block font decal artwork help

O Fenton Wells
 

Jim I'd check with Hubert Mask of Mask Island decals  He does good work and is good to work with


On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 6:37 PM Jim King <jimking3@...> wrote:

Is Donnie Dixon’s web site still up?  If not, are his artwork files available somewhere? 

 

I’m finishing artwork for the upcoming O scale 41’6” low side gon kit and need some gothic/block font characters.  I’ve created the full-size road name, road numbers 0-9 and capy/ld lmt/lt wt characters from stenciling diagrams and field measurements on bay windows cabs during my various restoration projects over the past 6-ish years but would like to be able to import a single “font file” where I can just type the lines I want instead of having to place each character in Solidworks’ assembly file, then create a 2D file for my decal printer.

 

Jim King

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 


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www.smokymountainmodelworks.com



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Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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moderated Need SOUTHERN block lettering height

Jim King
 

What is the height of SOUTHERN and main road number used on 41-6 low side gons?  I’ve guesstimated the height based on the carbody height but never have seen a stenciling diagram for this car.  I have letters and numbers designed, just need to verify height to wrap up decal artwork.

 

Does SRHA have a stenciling diagram for 57000- and 58000-series with block font?  I don’t have a drawing number.

 

Jim King

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 


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Jim King
www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

moderated Re: Need SOUTHERN block lettering height

George Eichelberger
 

Jim:

Not a particularly “pretty” drawing. As the SR did with repaints, it is a “generic” drawing rather than one for different car series but the dimensions are readable. Always measuring up from the side sill and using the car’s center line provides for different car dimensions.

Please remember to credit SRHA.

Ike



On Apr 24, 2019, at 12:34 PM, Jim King <jimking3@...> wrote:

What is the height of SOUTHERN and main road number used on 41-6 low side gons?  I’ve guesstimated the height based on the carbody height but never have seen a stenciling diagram for this car.  I have letters and numbers designed, just need to verify height to wrap up decal artwork.
 
Does SRHA have a stenciling diagram for 57000- and 58000-series with block font?  I don’t have a drawing number.
 
Jim King
 

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moderated Re: Need SOUTHERN block lettering height

Jim King
 

Ike,

 

I can’t open this file, only copy it and can’t enlarge.  Please send directly to me as an attachment, not embedded in the email.  Thanks.

 

Jim King

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 


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Jim King
www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

moderated Re: Need SOUTHERN block lettering height

Jim King
 

Ike … I went to the .IO web site and got the drawing that way.  No need to resend to me as attachment.  Outlook 365 is weird when it comes to attachments.  SRHA is being credited with MOST of the info I’m using to finish the O scale gon … just as I did with the HO and S kits from 10+ years ago.  Thanks for sending … this gives me everything I need.

 

Jim King

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 


--
Jim King
www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

moderated Central of Georgia Material at the SRHA Archives

George Eichelberger
 

We probably have not mentioned it enough but because many people are not aware that the SRHA archives most likely contain the largest collection of organized CofG documents, and absolutely the largest collection of Central original drawings, posting a couple of items from the ICC Valuation study is in order.

The two attachments are from pages 77 and 79x from the field notes for Valuation Section 2 in Savannah. They show a photo of the Savannah CofG station and a sketch of the trainshed. The quality of the ICC photos is usually not very good but they may be the only record we have of their subjects from the 1916-1926 period. 

While the quality and detail of the sketches in the field notes vary depending on the crew that did them, some are literally works of art and detail. The crew that did the work on the "buildings" accounts for Val Sec 2 included: C.A. Purinton - "Pilot Eng.", Frank Donlevy - "Tapeman" and Richard W. Alger - "Jr. Architect". The examples are from their work.

Georgia Val Sections 1-5 will be completely scanned in a few days. They represent only a tiny part of the CofG materials at the SRHA archives at TVRM in Chattanooga. Everyone is welcome to come to our monthly third weekend work session. If you plan to go the TVRM on any other dates and you would like to visit the archives, send an email to archives@... and we will attempt to make arrangements. If several folks interested in the Central wouild like to organize a work session dedicated to the CofG materils, that can certainly be arranged.

Ike

moderated Passing of O.W. (Oscar) KImsey

George Eichelberger
 

I was just told that Oscar Kimsey passed away a few days ago. His funeral was this afternoon.

"OK", or a circle with a "K" inside was surely one of the giants of southeastern railroad photography. We will publish more in TIES but he told me how his Atlanta newspaper route went near Atlanta Terminal Station during and immediately after the war and how a relative gave him a good quality camera so he was taking important photos at a young(er) age. His friends included all of the well known photographers around the South and he exchanged negatives with photographers all over the country.

SRHA, and people interested in every railroad in the southeast, have Oscar to thank for his many thousands of photos. From the first time he located and called me when we lived in Florida, he was always generous with his (encyclopedic) railroad knowledge and photos. (The Southern 40' box car book would never have been published with access to his collection.)

His entire collection is at the SRHA archive at TVRM. We will continue to use and publish his work, always with a credit to "OK".

Ike