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moderated Re: 1945 timetable info needed

George Eichelberger
 

Let me clarify a bit about Pullman "club cars" carrying FDR's auto...On Jun 29, 2019, at 3:18 PM, Charles Powell wrote:

George,
I was interested in what you said about your father being on FDR's security detail prior to the war and the POTUS specials to Warm Springs. I knew that the president's car traveled with him, but I not sure I follow you on loading the Packard into a Pullman Club? I usually think of a club car as a lounge car…..

Charles:
The car is identified differently on the documentation for various trips: “Pullman club”, "Pullman club car” and “Pullman club-baggage" are all used with Pullman club-baggage being the most common.

The chapter on Southern’s “Crescent Limited” in Arthur Dubin’s “Some Classic Trains” (Pg 116) includes a photo of club car “William Moultrie” that shows and describes a lounge-baggage configuration. In Duban’s book, the same type car is shown in the B&O “Capitol Limited” and other trains, including the Santa Fe “Chief”, all are referred to as "club cars”. Was the “club” portion of those cars considered rather “high class” and “baggage” was not, thus the truncated name?

A December, 1938 trip to Warm Springs, GA included Pullman club car “Barren Hill”. A POTUS to the west coast in Jul, 1938 used club car “Long Island”. For the June 10 and 11, 1940 trip from Washington to Charlottesville then to Hyde Park, NY, Feb 14 and 15 (Washington to Pensacola) the first car was AC equipped Pullman Club-Baggage Car "Liberty Cap”. In the majority of cases, the club or club-baggage car is unnamed.

“The President Travels by Train” by Bob Withers (Pg 136) mentions “Beginning in 1942, this assignment was filled by B&O combination passenger-baggage coach 1401 under lease to the government” but there is no record for wartime POTUS trains in the SRHA file.

So…is calling club-baggage cars “club” cars simply an abbreviation or the standard of the period?

Ike

PS Further reading in the file mentions a ramp for FDR to use to get off his car. Does that imply a ramp for the auto, and the auto, was not on some trips that included a “club” car?

moderated Speeder setouts

pschmidt3013@...
 

Can anyone direct me please to a plan or photo(s) for a typical Southern speeder setout? I'm looking specifically for a location where a signal maintainer/track inspector would clear up to allow trains to pass, not the section house or speeder shed.

Thank you,
--
Paul Schmidt
Sequim WA

moderated Re: Southern Rwy. HW passenger car decals, Gothic (block), HO scale UPDATE

C J Wyatt
 

I appreciate the orders which I received. Except for a mail order received today that was expected, all orders have been shipped and the buyers should have received them by now. If you have ordered, but have not received the decals yet, please let me know. I have put the remaining stock on eBay as a fixed price, buy it now sale. The most popular order quantity size was what I called four sets containing enough material for six cars. That was offered at $12 and I have revised shipping down to $3 based on experience. As of now, I only have tens of these left. Searching on "Southern passenger car decals" should get to the listing, but if you have any trouble, contact me via  "reply to sender", not group.

I appreciate you interests, and the response is encouraging me to think about doing some products for the passenger car modeler market.

Jack Wyatt 


On Wednesday, June 26, 2019, 11:14:30 PM EDT, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:


Some of you may remember that a couple of decades ago I tried to produce a Southern Railway heavyweight baggage-express HO kit in resin, but did not complete the project. I had decals printed by Rail Graphics for the car in Southern's gothic (block style) with imitation gold color. These would be good from 1941 until Southern started using the metallic appearing Scotchcal in mid-1956. The decals are very good and accurate. I scanned Southern Rwy. drawings of the letters and figures  from the SRHA archives and traced over them with a CAD program to produce the artwork. Unfortunately I did not include items to make it a general purpose set, but it is good for baggage-express cars and also Southern Railway coaches if you can find a 3/4 in. decal stripe to be used on the bottom of the coach side, or paint and mask one yourself.

I've decided to sell off my stock of them. If anyone is interested, send me an email by hitting the 'reply to sender' button. Please be careful not to post to the group instead. Images are attached. My car side with the decals applied has suffered from being tossed in a box, but you can get the picture.

Jack Wyatt

moderated Re: Southern Rwy. HW passenger car decals, Gothic (block), HO scale UPDATE

Gary Bechdol
 

Thanks for your work on the decals, Jack.   Now I will have to build some baggage express cars to put them on 


Gary Bechdol
Stone Mountain, Ga 

On Mon, Jul 8, 2019, 3:01 PM C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:
I appreciate the orders which I received. Except for a mail order received today that was expected, all orders have been shipped and the buyers should have received them by now. If you have ordered, but have not received the decals yet, please let me know. I have put the remaining stock on eBay as a fixed price, buy it now sale. The most popular order quantity size was what I called four sets containing enough material for six cars. That was offered at $12 and I have revised shipping down to $3 based on experience. As of now, I only have tens of these left. Searching on "Southern passenger car decals" should get to the listing, but if you have any trouble, contact me via  "reply to sender", not group.

I appreciate you interests, and the response is encouraging me to think about doing some products for the passenger car modeler market.

Jack Wyatt 


On Wednesday, June 26, 2019, 11:14:30 PM EDT, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:


Some of you may remember that a couple of decades ago I tried to produce a Southern Railway heavyweight baggage-express HO kit in resin, but did not complete the project. I had decals printed by Rail Graphics for the car in Southern's gothic (block style) with imitation gold color. These would be good from 1941 until Southern started using the metallic appearing Scotchcal in mid-1956. The decals are very good and accurate. I scanned Southern Rwy. drawings of the letters and figures  from the SRHA archives and traced over them with a CAD program to produce the artwork. Unfortunately I did not include items to make it a general purpose set, but it is good for baggage-express cars and also Southern Railway coaches if you can find a 3/4 in. decal stripe to be used on the bottom of the coach side, or paint and mask one yourself.

I've decided to sell off my stock of them. If anyone is interested, send me an email by hitting the 'reply to sender' button. Please be careful not to post to the group instead. Images are attached. My car side with the decals applied has suffered from being tossed in a box, but you can get the picture.

Jack Wyatt

moderated Re: Southern Rwy. HW passenger car decals, Gothic (block), HO scale UPDATE

C J Wyatt
 

Appreciate it! I am looking at ways to revive my Southern Rwy. baggage car project and maybe a few other things.

Jack

On Monday, July 8, 2019, 03:09:08 PM EDT, Gary Bechdol <garyeb1947@...> wrote:


Thanks for your work on the decals, Jack.   Now I will have to build some baggage express cars to put them on 


Gary Bechdol
Stone Mountain, Ga 

On Mon, Jul 8, 2019, 3:01 PM C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:
I appreciate the orders which I received. Except for a mail order received today that was expected, all orders have been shipped and the buyers should have received them by now. If you have ordered, but have not received the decals yet, please let me know. I have put the remaining stock on eBay as a fixed price, buy it now sale. The most popular order quantity size was what I called four sets containing enough material for six cars. That was offered at $12 and I have revised shipping down to $3 based on experience. As of now, I only have tens of these left. Searching on "Southern passenger car decals" should get to the listing, but if you have any trouble, contact me via  "reply to sender", not group.

I appreciate you interests, and the response is encouraging me to think about doing some products for the passenger car modeler market.

Jack Wyatt 


On Wednesday, June 26, 2019, 11:14:30 PM EDT, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:


Some of you may remember that a couple of decades ago I tried to produce a Southern Railway heavyweight baggage-express HO kit in resin, but did not complete the project. I had decals printed by Rail Graphics for the car in Southern's gothic (block style) with imitation gold color. These would be good from 1941 until Southern started using the metallic appearing Scotchcal in mid-1956. The decals are very good and accurate. I scanned Southern Rwy. drawings of the letters and figures  from the SRHA archives and traced over them with a CAD program to produce the artwork. Unfortunately I did not include items to make it a general purpose set, but it is good for baggage-express cars and also Southern Railway coaches if you can find a 3/4 in. decal stripe to be used on the bottom of the coach side, or paint and mask one yourself.

I've decided to sell off my stock of them. If anyone is interested, send me an email by hitting the 'reply to sender' button. Please be careful not to post to the group instead. Images are attached. My car side with the decals applied has suffered from being tossed in a box, but you can get the picture.

Jack Wyatt

moderated Groups and Paint

milepost 131 <mp131.ghandrews@...>
 

This IS being cross-posted to the two yahoogroups and the groups.io

 

 

The things I don’t know:

 

1. What’s up with photo/files/messages

2 Depot Paint

 

Why we have members asking about files and photos…

 

 

 

Now to the various and sundry internet discussion groups- shades of the old days when SRHS and SRHA co-existed.

 

At Yahoogroup.

 

Southern_Railway and Southern Railway Modeler exist.

 

Southern_Railway (Yahoo) indicates 896 member (active -unknown)

It has a file and photo section that members CAN access.

 

Southern Railway Modelers (Yahoo- Southernmodeler) 828 members. It has Files and Photos section.

 

As far as I know neither Yahoogroup has direct ties to SRHA…

 

And then there are the groups at groups.io:

 

SouthernRailway

A “main group” with 132 members

Only photos are those which have been “pulled from email attachments and no files.

Under this is a sub-group

ModelingTheSouthern with 21 members

Again ONLY photos are those sent as attachments (SIX as of this writing)

 

If you are confused at this point- welcome to the club.

 

The groups.io seem to be associated with SRHA (but this might not be true)

 

So it would appear that we have “diversity” of discussion groups and anyone interested in Southern Railway needs to have their feet planted “firmly” in two worlds. As I said it reminds me of ancient history when SRHS and SRHA existed.

 

I’m not sure who the owners/moderators are of any of the groups not that it matters but it is a shame we can’t all get on the same page regardless…

 

 

 

So.. it looks like you’ll have to do what I’ve been doing… have membership in both Yahoogroups and groups.io. (I’m not even sure whether these two providers will welcome discussion groups long term.)

 

FYI- I migrated a group from Yahoo to groups.io a while back because it was better supported at groups.io. To each his own.

 

But the next time you see a member say… but I can’t post a file or a photo…. you’ll know why.

 

 

NOW TO MY SOUTHERN RAILWAY MESSAGE!

 

 

2 DEPOT PAINT

 

The color of depots on the Southern Murphy Branch circa 1942.

Based on a photo of Whittier (circa 1909) Seems to be the yellow/green scheme

Bushnell Clodfelter photo *(circa 1916) and TVA Archives (yellow/green)

Balsam – a few early photos (yellow/green)

 

It would seem that depots were the pre-1925 scheme unless they needed painting. (including white trim??)

I have not found any photos which appear to be the green with yellow trim.

Yes there are photo of the post 1945 scheme of gray with white trim.

 

BTW, the yellow used at Montpelier station (you can find photos on line are based on mass-spec analysis of paint layers done during a very good restoration effort.

 

Now some depots that have been restored do show the yellow. Some show the yellow/green. Some have red doors some have yellow white.

 

If anyone has definitive info on any depot paint with time etc. A few of us might be interested.


Gordon Andrews

 

moderated Re: [ModelingTheSouthern] Groups and Paint

George Eichelberger
 

Gordon:

For "The things I don’t know”, might you contact the group owners or moderators for answers?

The SouthernRailway, ModelingTheSouthern, and SRHA.io groups are all affiliated with the Southern Railway Historical Association……is that not obvious by the amount of information they include from the SRHA archives?

I won’t take the bandwidth to attempt to answer your questions but here is a question from me?
How, exactly, did SRHA and SRHS “co-exist”? What do you know about how either organization was chartered or organized? What happened to SRHS assets?


On Jul 9, 2019, at 12:10 PM, milepost 131 <mp131.ghandrews@...> wrote:

This IS being cross-posted to the two yahoogroups and the groups.io

 

The things I don’t know:

 

1. What’s up with photo/files/messages

2 Depot Paint

 

Why we have members asking about files and photos…

 

Now to the various and sundry internet discussion groups- shades of the old days when SRHS and SRHA co-existed.

 


moderated Re: [ModelingTheSouthern] Groups and Paint

Robert Hanson
 

George - 

Contact me off-list and I'll tell you - or at least TRY to tell you - about the SRHS/SRHA thing.

Long, long, story.

Bob Hanson


-----Original Message-----
From: George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Jul 9, 2019 12:30 pm
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] [ModelingTheSouthern] Groups and Paint

Gordon:

For "The things I don’t know”, might you contact the group owners or moderators for answers?

The SouthernRailway, ModelingTheSouthern, and SRHA.io groups are all affiliated with the Southern Railway Historical Association……is that not obvious by the amount of information they include from the SRHA archives?

I won’t take the bandwidth to attempt to answer your questions but here is a question from me?
How, exactly, did SRHA and SRHS “co-exist”? What do you know about how either organization was chartered or organized? What happened to SRHS assets?


On Jul 9, 2019, at 12:10 PM, milepost 131 <mp131.ghandrews@...> wrote:
This IS being cross-posted to the two yahoogroups and the groups.io
 
The things I don’t know:
 
1. What’s up with photo/files/messages
2 Depot Paint
 
Why we have members asking about files and photos…
 
Now to the various and sundry internet discussion groups- shades of the old days when SRHS and SRHA co-existed.
 

moderated Southern Railway Presidents' Files Finding Aid DRAFT Version

George Eichelberger
 

They are not perfect but the enclosed Google Drive link will allow everyone to download a copy of the current draft of the Southern Railway Presidents' Files Finding Aids.

We need to begin an archives work session project to "QC" each entry against the contents of the files and make whatever corrections or additions we need. You'll note the intro to each year mentions the entry is "representative" of its contents. The folder includes MS Word or Excel files for each year since the formation of the Southern. (The Google Drive viewer appears to want to alter the Excel files but let's simply ignore that for now. It may be best to download them...)

The link (open in your browser) is:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1tqb3kBvEvyRo5dRvJcPmL7KfW0M1nA-4?usp=sharing

I find myself constantly wanting to "click" on an entry so I can see the entire file (some have 200 pages). Maybe someday, with enough volunteer or paid help, that will be possible but for now folks will need to go the the archives to see their contents. Please understand, we do not have enough volunteers to respond to all requests for copies or scans. Priority will go to anyone working on articles for TIES, another historical group's publication or one of the commercial magazines. If anyone has ideas of how we might obtain a grant, we could pay students from the Univ of TN-Chattanooga to help.

Either plan on attending one of our third-weekend work sessions or send an email to archives@... if you plan to be at TVRM on other days so you can access the files and do your own research. (Looking though files and seeing 4501 under steam just across the street is worth the trip.)

Ike 

moderated Re: Speeder setouts

George Eichelberger
 

I notice no one has responded to this post yet. Although I cannot locate my copies of the Southern Railway standards books, if someone can look there, they may (!!) include plans for a track speeder set-out track with recommendations as to where they should be located. I am heading to the archives on Friday, I'll look at the different versions we have there.

Ike

moderated Re: Speeder setouts

pschmidt3013@...
 

Thank you, Ike.
--
Paul Schmidt
Sequim WA

moderated Re: Speeder setouts

Bill Schafer
 

For what it’s worth, I don’t remember seeing any standards for a set-off track other than, maybe, at a track shed. I’m not sure such a specific standard existed, so I too would be interested in seeing a standard if someone finds one.

—Bill

On Jul 10, 2019, at 8:51 PM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

I notice no one has responded to this post yet. Although I cannot locate my copies of the Southern Railway standards books, if someone can look there, they may (!!) include plans for a track speeder set-out track with recommendations as to where they should be located. I am heading to the archives on Friday, I'll look at the different versions we have there.

Ike

moderated Re: Speeder setouts

George Eichelberger
 

Bill:

I checked a number of ETTs thinking there may have been some kind of code showing MPs where they located…no luck there.

Might the issue be that because a speeder could be moved off the track many places to clear up for trains, the local Track Supervisors and Signal Maintainers did not need a formal list?

Ike


On Jul 11, 2019, at 11:47 AM, Bill Schafer <bill4501@...> wrote:

For what it’s worth, I don’t remember seeing any standards for a set-off track other than, maybe, at a track shed. I’m not sure such a specific standard existed, so I too would be interested in seeing a standard if someone finds one.

—Bill

On Jul 10, 2019, at 8:51 PM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

I notice no one has responded to this post yet. Although I cannot locate my copies of the Southern Railway standards books, if someone can look there, they may (!!) include plans for a track speeder set-out track with recommendations as to where they should be located. I am heading to the archives on Friday, I'll look at the different versions we have there.

Ike


moderated Re: Speeder setouts

Bill Schafer
 

I never saw a list of where the setoffs were, at least on the Southern. When I started in MofW in 1971 (which was before the hi-rail era), I don’t recall ever setting off at a purpose-made location (or even seeing one on our territory) - there were too many grade crossings, which came in handy. My sense is that setoffs were common in areas where grade crossings were few and far between. 

—Bill

On Jul 11, 2019, at 11:59 AM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Bill:

I checked a number of ETTs thinking there may have been some kind of code showing MPs where they located…no luck there.

Might the issue be that because a speeder could be moved off the track many places to clear up for trains, the local Track Supervisors and Signal Maintainers did not need a formal list?

Ike


On Jul 11, 2019, at 11:47 AM, Bill Schafer <bill4501@...> wrote:

For what it’s worth, I don’t remember seeing any standards for a set-off track other than, maybe, at a track shed. I’m not sure such a specific standard existed, so I too would be interested in seeing a standard if someone finds one.

—Bill

On Jul 10, 2019, at 8:51 PM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

I notice no one has responded to this post yet. Although I cannot locate my copies of the Southern Railway standards books, if someone can look there, they may (!!) include plans for a track speeder set-out track with recommendations as to where they should be located. I am heading to the archives on Friday, I'll look at the different versions we have there.

Ike



moderated Re: Speeder setouts

David Payne
 


I appreciate Bill validating what I was thinking; the photos that I remember seeing of speeder setoffs, and not necessarily on Southern, were in remote places and perhaps outside tunnel portals.  As Bill pointed out, it is easy enough to “clear up” at the numerous grade crossings, especially for any of the M-type cars.  The A-cars would have been more of an issue, but I understand that many had “turntables” in the frame which could be lowered so that the car could be rotated, then raised, and rolled off the track.  Perhaps Bill can verify that a section crew would normally seek “clearance” for the “A” car and the trailers, which may have been loaded with rail and/or ties, in a convenient spur or siding.
DPayne



On Jul 11, 2019, at 12:16 PM, Bill Schafer <bill4501@...> wrote:

I never saw a list of where the setoffs were, at least on the Southern. When I started in MofW in 1971 (which was before the hi-rail era), I don’t recall ever setting off at a purpose-made location (or even seeing one on our territory) - there were too many grade crossings, which came in handy. My sense is that setoffs were common in areas where grade crossings were few and far between. 

—Bill

On Jul 11, 2019, at 11:59 AM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Bill:

I checked a number of ETTs thinking there may have been some kind of code showing MPs where they located…no luck there.

Might the issue be that because a speeder could be moved off the track many places to clear up for trains, the local Track Supervisors and Signal Maintainers did not need a formal list?

Ike


On Jul 11, 2019, at 11:47 AM, Bill Schafer <bill4501@...> wrote:

For what it’s worth, I don’t remember seeing any standards for a set-off track other than, maybe, at a track shed. I’m not sure such a specific standard existed, so I too would be interested in seeing a standard if someone finds one.

—Bill

On Jul 10, 2019, at 8:51 PM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

I notice no one has responded to this post yet. Although I cannot locate my copies of the Southern Railway standards books, if someone can look there, they may (!!) include plans for a track speeder set-out track with recommendations as to where they should be located. I am heading to the archives on Friday, I'll look at the different versions we have there.

Ike



moderated Re: Speeder setouts

Bill Schafer
 

When I came along, David, the Southern was no longer using A-cars, at least on my part of the railroad. When we changed rail (such as behind the Sperry car) we used a “rail changer” (RCM), which was an old ballast regulator minus the wings that served as a tractor that pulled two push cars behind it that held stick rail. The RCM was equipped with a fixed boom that could swing from side to side that had a cable with rail dogs on the end of it. The cable could be raised or lowered with a winch built into the RCM. This is how the rail was lifted on or off the push cars. Also, the push cars were modified with hydraulic brakes controlled from the RCM. Obviously, such an outfit couldn’t be lifted off the track when a train was due, so when the RCM got out on the railroad, it was preceded by an M-19 with two guys in it (typically the supervisor and a crank hand). About six guys rode on the RCM sideboards, and another M-19 brought up the rear, again with two guys on it. The two M-19s provided the flagging fore and aft (if we were in dark or train order territory; otherwise we’d have 23-A protection in CTC territory), but the flag protection was imperfect, and I was in a situation once where our rail changeout gang barely escaped getting hit by a train. I’m sure RCMs are history now, replaced by Brandt trucks or somesuch, which nowadays are protected by track warrants (or whatever they're called) when out on the main line.

—Bill



On Jul 11, 2019, at 2:06 PM, David Payne via Groups.Io <davidcofga@...> wrote:


I appreciate Bill validating what I was thinking; the photos that I remember seeing of speeder setoffs, and not necessarily on Southern, were in remote places and perhaps outside tunnel portals.  As Bill pointed out, it is easy enough to “clear up” at the numerous grade crossings, especially for any of the M-type cars.  The A-cars would have been more of an issue, but I understand that many had “turntables” in the frame which could be lowered so that the car could be rotated, then raised, and rolled off the track.  Perhaps Bill can verify that a section crew would normally seek “clearance” for the “A” car and the trailers, which may have been loaded with rail and/or ties, in a convenient spur or siding.
DPayne



On Jul 11, 2019, at 12:16 PM, Bill Schafer <bill4501@...> wrote:

I never saw a list of where the setoffs were, at least on the Southern. When I started in MofW in 1971 (which was before the hi-rail era), I don’t recall ever setting off at a purpose-made location (or even seeing one on our territory) - there were too many grade crossings, which came in handy. My sense is that setoffs were common in areas where grade crossings were few and far between. 

—Bill

On Jul 11, 2019, at 11:59 AM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Bill:

I checked a number of ETTs thinking there may have been some kind of code showing MPs where they located…no luck there.

Might the issue be that because a speeder could be moved off the track many places to clear up for trains, the local Track Supervisors and Signal Maintainers did not need a formal list?

Ike


On Jul 11, 2019, at 11:47 AM, Bill Schafer <bill4501@...> wrote:

For what it’s worth, I don’t remember seeing any standards for a set-off track other than, maybe, at a track shed. I’m not sure such a specific standard existed, so I too would be interested in seeing a standard if someone finds one.

—Bill

On Jul 10, 2019, at 8:51 PM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

I notice no one has responded to this post yet. Although I cannot locate my copies of the Southern Railway standards books, if someone can look there, they may (!!) include plans for a track speeder set-out track with recommendations as to where they should be located. I am heading to the archives on Friday, I'll look at the different versions we have there.

Ike




moderated Re: Speeder setouts

pschmidt3013@...
 

I've learned a lot already just from the replies. Always fascinates me how trying to unearth one bit of prototype information leads to so many other nuggets of knowledge. 
--
Paul Schmidt
Sequim WA

moderated Re: Speeder setouts

 

Yes, I agree.  In fact, I’ve been thinking this discussion could easily lead up to a terrific article for ‘Ties’ magazine.  It seems so little is written about MW.  It just seems to beg for more.  Thanks for this discussion, fellas.
 
Ed Locklin at mp367.
 
 
 
 

From: pschmidt3013@...
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 8:00 PM
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Speeder setouts
 
I've learned a lot already just from the replies. Always fascinates me how trying to unearth one bit of prototype information leads to so many other nuggets of knowledge.
--
Paul Schmidt
Sequim WA

moderated Re: Speeder setouts

John Hedrick
 

Pre-dating Bill by a few years, I was told A type cars had been "outlawed" on the Southern before my time.

I was involved with replacing broken rails by chaining the replacement rail under an M-19 motorcar to get it to the site. We'd use lining bars to guide the rail over grade crossings and turnouts. One such replacement was on the NO&NE mainline. However, the RCM was used following the Sperry Car.

John O. Hedrick

moderated Yesterday and next weekend at the SRHA archives

George Eichelberger
 

First: AC reminder, the usual third weekend of the month SRHA Archives work session is Friday and Saturday. (Several of us will be there in Thursday if anyone wold like to joiun us then.)

Yesterday and Friday was an opportunity to spend some time organizing the Hayne Shop files and looking through the Southern Railway Presidents' files. Even though items appear in the Presidents' files finding aids, until you look through the archives boxes it is difficult to understand how much is in them, and how important, some are.

Two large groups of files I had never spent much time on were the WWI era ARA (American Railway Association, predecessor to the AAR) and USRA files. In addition to providing material for multiple TIES articles, they represent a source of significant academic or historical research. Although I expect most of us think "rolling stock" when he see "USRA", the extent of the Govt's control over the railroads in many operational areas was much more extensive than I realized. The conflicts and demands made by USRA in WWI are clearly the reason the railroads were so opposed to the same thing during WWII and Korea. Forcing the railroads that operated passenger trains between Chicago and St. Louis to reduce and coordinate their services is one example.

Before and during the USRA, the ARA established a committee to work with the War Department on transportation issues. Southern President Fairfax Harrison was the Chairman of that group...obviously the reason so many records were kept in his files.

The attached are four pages from the July 15, 1916 notice of the committee's formation.

Ike

PS Several of us will be at the SRHA table at the Collinsville RPM the end of th e month, stop by and say hello.