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moderated A Silverside off-line?

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Anybody know the story behind this shot?  I didn't know the Silversides ever went off-line.  That appears to be a switcher's tender it's coupled to.  Hmmmm......

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DUPLICATE-SLIDE-Southern-SOU-1147-Gondola-Car-BRAND-NEW-Bristol-VA-1960/372534823381

Scott Chatfield

C J Wyatt
 

Probably new en route. I see a builder's date of 2/60. If I remember correctly N&W ran steam through April 1960, though increasingly isolated.

Thanks for sharing. This is something which you never thought you would have seen.

Jack Wyatt

On ‎Saturday‎, ‎December‎ ‎15‎, ‎2018‎ ‎01‎:‎03‎:‎57‎ ‎PM‎ ‎EST, D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...> wrote:


Anybody know the story behind this shot?  I didn't know the Silversides ever went off-line.  That appears to be a switcher's tender it's coupled to.  Hmmmm......

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DUPLICATE-SLIDE-Southern-SOU-1147-Gondola-Car-BRAND-NEW-Bristol-VA-1960/372534823381

Scott Chatfield

Bill Schafer
 

They would have been brand new if they were switched by N&W steam. I don’t know the answer, but since the photo was taken in Bristol, the car could have been touched by N&W in the joint N&W-SOU yard or - maybe - N&W borrowed the car for a test. Just guesses.

—Bill

On Dec 15, 2018, at 1:03 PM, D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...> wrote:

Anybody know the story behind this shot?  I didn't know the Silversides ever went off-line.  That appears to be a switcher's tender it's coupled to.  Hmmmm......


Scott Chatfield

Robert Graham
 

My guess (emphasize GUESS) is that SOU silverside shown in the slide is not being worked by N&W steam, but is coupled to N&W class M 4-8-0 433 (for some reason) that was restored cosmetically and is displayed on the Virginia Creeper Trail in Abingdon VA. That tender is obviously not one of the N&W S1 or S1a tenders based upon the drop equalizer truck under the tender. The regular N&W late steam-era switchers at Bristol were S1 & S1a 0-8-0's and also likely a class M 4-8-0 or 2 (several were around, including 433 & 376, but none would be that fresh in service in mid-1960). The final N&W steam operated in West VA on the Pocahontas Div in 1960. The SOU silverside gondolas were used in unit train service out of Westmoreland Coal's mines in SW Virginia in and around Appalachia VA & Andover VA (the INT terminal) and were run in service in the general vicinity of Bristol, although not actually through there. I would suspect the car was borrowed by N&W for examination and comparison purposes, as at that time, N&W had just acquired a fleet of former VGN large capacity coal service gondolas and had also owned their own similar cars.

Bob Graham


---- Bill Schafer <@bill4501> wrote:

They would have been brand new if they were switched by N&W steam. I don’t know the answer, but since the photo was taken in Bristol, the car could have been touched by N&W in the joint N&W-SOU yard or - maybe - N&W borrowed the car for a test. Just guesses.

—Bill

On Dec 15, 2018, at 1:03 PM, D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...<mailto:blindog@...>> wrote:

Anybody know the story behind this shot? I didn't know the Silversides ever went off-line. That appears to be a switcher's tender it's coupled to. Hmmmm......

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DUPLICATE-SLIDE-Southern-SOU-1147-Gondola-Car-BRAND-NEW-Bristol-VA-1960/372534823381

Scott Chatfield



Jason Greene
 

I was thinking there must have some kind of display in Bristol for PR. The freshly painted tender is the give away with that late date. I think Bob Graham may be right, the Abington engine that was donated about that time would be a good guess.

Jason Greene

On Dec 15, 2018, at 3:30 PM, Robert Graham <rgraham2@...> wrote:

My guess (emphasize GUESS) is that SOU silverside shown in the slide is not being worked by N&W steam, but is coupled to N&W class M 4-8-0 433 (for some reason) that was restored cosmetically and is displayed on the Virginia Creeper Trail in Abingdon VA. That tender is obviously not one of the N&W S1 or S1a tenders based upon the drop equalizer truck under the tender. The regular N&W late steam-era switchers at Bristol were S1 & S1a 0-8-0's and also likely a class M 4-8-0 or 2 (several were around, including 433 & 376, but none would be that fresh in service in mid-1960). The final N&W steam operated in West VA on the Pocahontas Div in 1960. The SOU silverside gondolas were used in unit train service out of Westmoreland Coal's mines in SW Virginia in and around Appalachia VA & Andover VA (the INT terminal) and were run in service in the general vicinity of Bristol, although not actually through there. I would suspect the car was borrowed by N&W for examination and comparison purposes, as at that time, N&W had just acquired a fleet of former VGN large capacity coal service gondolas and had also owned their own similar cars.

Bob Graham


---- Bill Schafer <@bill4501> wrote:
They would have been brand new if they were switched by N&W steam. I don’t know the answer, but since the photo was taken in Bristol, the car could have been touched by N&W in the joint N&W-SOU yard or - maybe - N&W borrowed the car for a test. Just guesses.

—Bill

On Dec 15, 2018, at 1:03 PM, D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...<mailto:blindog@...>> wrote:

Anybody know the story behind this shot? I didn't know the Silversides ever went off-line. That appears to be a switcher's tender it's coupled to. Hmmmm......

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DUPLICATE-SLIDE-Southern-SOU-1147-Gondola-Car-BRAND-NEW-Bristol-VA-1960/372534823381

Scott Chatfield






mike turner
 

My guess: the hopper was newly built and was being routed to the nearest SOU interchange point for delivery to SOU.

Mike Turner

MP-Z35

Dick Fisher
 

They were built in Birmingham.

On 12/15/2018 7:41 PM, mike turner wrote:
My guess: the hopper was newly built and was being routed to the nearest SOU interchange point for delivery to SOU.

Mike Turner

MP-Z35



Jim King
 

Another point re: this 1960 shot of Silverside and N&W 475 I just sent:  the last steam on N&W was in Williamson WV, a lowly 0-8-0, in May 1960.  I don’t know if 475 was serviceable to be run-under-power to a special event as indicated by the Bristol shots.  Steam was replaced in Bristol in 1959.

 

Jim King

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 

Jim King
 

This is the other end of the Silverside shot.  475 was dolled up for the famous 1957 NRHS convention and used for special occasions afterward and stored in Shaffer’s Crossing r/h in between.  It now runs on the Strasburg.  Given the early September date, this could also be an NRHS convention or just a joint N&W/SOU PR thing.

 

Jim King

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Thanks for the insights, Jim.


Scott Chatfield

George Eichelberger
 

I asked Ed King if he knew anything about the photo. He did not except to say he did not think it was in Bristol.

Ed would certainly know, he is "Mr Steam" and from Bristol.

Ike

Jim King
 

I own this color negative and the envelope it came in was dated and stated Bristol.  The brick building behind the Silverside gon also looks like the yard office that’s still there but there’s very little to use for “proof”, just the brick construction and a little of the building’s shape.

 

Jim King

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 

George Eichelberger
 

Jim:

I don't know myself but info from Ed King is "take it to the bank" stuff.

Ike

Jim King
 

N&W 475 is what it's coupled to.  I have an original color neg showing that engine with the Silverside coupled to it.  N&W 433 was already spotted on the Abingdon panel track display before this date.  475 was dolled up to look "ancient" for the 1957 NRHS convention.  It was the lead engine on the tripleheader that ran on the Blacksburg branch.  475 has been operating at Strasburg for many years, thankfully.

waym0re@...
 

I inherited many slides from a deceased friend's collection.  He attended many NRHS conventions and one group of slides he marked 1960 NRHS convetion [the mounts didn't show dates] covered SRy F through Natural Tunnel and Middlesboro, KY.  Also in the group were of ET&WNC 207 pulling an excursion train, with open gon for riders, on the Clinchfield.  No way of telling if was all one trip or two different trips as numbering on the mounts looked like a 20 - 22 roll for each trip.  Vaguely remember seeing somewhere in his collection a shot of the spruced up 475 and now I'll have to keep in mind film type and mount number to see if it fit into either of these groups of about 8 -10 slides each.  Anyway, to this old mind would think it reasonable to have on display at this convention the engine and gon in the subject photo.

Jim King
 

The Silverside gon with N&W 475 was taken in Bristol VA at the N&W yard during a September 1960 NRHS convention.  I have a color negative of 475 taken there; the Silverside slide you saw (came from ebay auction) showed part of an N&W GP-9 or -18 in the background.  There is another view of 475 with a set of stairs going into the cab for visitors and part of the Silverside in the background.

 

Jim King

SMMW

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Jim King
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