locked Help Please -- Goldsboro Union Station & Modernized Coaches


bjarne@juno.com
 

Gents:

I need your help please on two issues:

(1) Does anyone remember what magazine had the article on Goldsboro Union Station? Was it a SRR HS magazine or one of the ACL/SAL/SCL ones. I thought I had clipped the article but now cant find it.

(2) Does anyone know if there is an article on the SRR heavyweight single vestibule coaches rebuilt from Pullmans and used on Train 7-8 between Washington & Lynchburg and the Piedmont? I have the car sides from USP, the roof and a basic body kit from Branchline -- and now need to be able to accurately install all of the "stuff" underneath the car in its proper order and paint the interior (which IIRC was in tones of grey?).

Thanks for your guidance. I hope to write an article on this project -- sincerely,

/s/ Bjarne


George Eichelberger
 

Bjarne:

I don’t remember anything about Goldsboro Union Station that has been published but I have been accumulating material for a TIES article. (Maybe also “Lines South” as it was a Southern/ACL/NS union station.) Look for the Goldsboro contracts in the list I published here before. I also found a Goldsboro reference in the SR Presidents’ files finding aids. I will look for those at the work session this Thurs-Sat.

We will also scan (OCR?) the passenger car drawings index this weekend. We have a more or less complete set of Southern passenger car drawings dating back to about 1904. (The drawings do not start earlier because the Southern did not acquire much new rolling stock in its first ten years or so.) Because the conversions were done at Hayne, we should have files and drawings.

The problem always is…we have more work to do in the archives than we have volunteers to do it. If people, or groups of people from the various “Southern” states will make plans to get to Chatt to work for a couple of days, we can schedule an ad-hoc work session almost anytime.

For anyone really serious about Southern rolling stock, after Southern office car #5 gets to TVRM, anyone that wants to learn about and work on 12” to the foot rolling stock, they are welcome to help.

Ike

Photo of Goldsboro Union Station 8-14-59 Ben Roberts collection, SRHA archives



On Oct 13, 2019, at 9:16 PM, bjarne@... wrote:

Gents:

I need your help please on two issues:

(1)  Does anyone remember what magazine had the article on Goldsboro Union Station?  Was it a SRR HS magazine or one of the ACL/SAL/SCL ones.  I thought I had clipped the article but now cant find it.

(2)  Does anyone know if there is an article on the SRR heavyweight single vestibule coaches rebuilt from Pullmans and used on Train 7-8 between Washington & Lynchburg and the Piedmont? I have the car sides from USP, the roof and a basic body kit from Branchline  -- and now need to be able to accurately install all of the "stuff" underneath the car in its proper order and paint the interior (which IIRC was in tones of grey?).

Thanks for your guidance.  I hope to write an article on this project -- sincerely,

/s/ Bjarne





O Fenton Wells
 

I don't know the answer to your question whether the 52 seat single vestibule cars ran in those train, maybe Bill Schafer would know.  However, it is a good possibility as these cars ran all over the system.
As far as the interior of the cars I can' tell you the colors of the interiors when built although I do have a copy of a color chart that lists but does not show the colors. from the SRHA files from when I was doing a book on these cars.  It's hard to read as my copy is small but it's the best I can do.  I do have photos of the car interiors that I took but they would not be as built.  Probably from the late 1950's or 1960's reshopping.
I hope this helps,
Fenton

On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 9:17 PM bjarne@... <bjarne@...> wrote:
Gents:

I need your help please on two issues:

(1)  Does anyone remember what magazine had the article on Goldsboro Union Station?  Was it a SRR HS magazine or one of the ACL/SAL/SCL ones.  I thought I had clipped the article but now cant find it.

(2)  Does anyone know if there is an article on the SRR heavyweight single vestibule coaches rebuilt from Pullmans and used on Train 7-8 between Washington & Lynchburg and the Piedmont? I have the car sides from USP, the roof and a basic body kit from Branchline  -- and now need to be able to accurately install all of the "stuff" underneath the car in its proper order and paint the interior (which IIRC was in tones of grey?).

Thanks for your guidance.  I hope to write an article on this project -- sincerely,

/s/ Bjarne





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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Bill Schafer
 

IIRC, the coaches (I think there were two) assigned to trains 7-8 during the Amtrak limbo were modernized heavyweight single vestibule cars, each equipped with the “food service” required on these trains - a vending machine.  

My guess is that between 1971 and 1975, there was little to no variance on the cars used in this service.

—Bill

On Oct 14, 2019, at 12:31 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

I don't know the answer to your question whether the 52 seat single vestibule cars ran in those train, maybe Bill Schafer would know.  However, it is a good possibility as these cars ran all over the system.
As far as the interior of the cars I can' tell you the colors of the interiors when built although I do have a copy of a color chart that lists but does not show the colors. from the SRHA files from when I was doing a book on these cars.  It's hard to read as my copy is small but it's the best I can do.  I do have photos of the car interiors that I took but they would not be as built.  Probably from the late 1950's or 1960's reshopping.
I hope this helps,
Fenton

On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 9:17 PM bjarne@... <bjarne@...> wrote:
Gents:

I need your help please on two issues:

(1)  Does anyone remember what magazine had the article on Goldsboro Union Station?  Was it a SRR HS magazine or one of the ACL/SAL/SCL ones.  I thought I had clipped the article but now cant find it.

(2)  Does anyone know if there is an article on the SRR heavyweight single vestibule coaches rebuilt from Pullmans and used on Train 7-8 between Washington & Lynchburg and the Piedmont? I have the car sides from USP, the roof and a basic body kit from Branchline  -- and now need to be able to accurately install all of the "stuff" underneath the car in its proper order and paint the interior (which IIRC was in tones of grey?).

Thanks for your guidance.  I hope to write an article on this project -- sincerely,

/s/ Bjarne





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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...
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Curtis Brookshire
 

Goldsboro Union Station article: ACL/SAL Historical Society publication Lines South, Vol 31, No 1; 1st Quarter 2014. The article has as much SR information as ACL.

Curtis Brookshire
Pine Level, NC


Mike Pierry, Jr.
 

Had an opportunity to stop in Goldsboro last Friday and found the old depot in a deplorable condition —- not worth photographing. Attached is the new adjacent structure serving buses. The big Goldsboro dream is to restore the old depot and gain passenger service on NCRR. Well, maybe.

Mike Pierry, Jr. 

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 9:33 AM Curtis Brookshire via Groups.Io <curtis.brookshire=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Goldsboro Union Station article: ACL/SAL Historical Society publication Lines South, Vol 31, No 1; 1st Quarter 2014. The article has as much SR information as ACL.

Curtis Brookshire
Pine Level, NC