locked Southern 1380


Will Kesler
 

I heard stories on how 1380 was moved into the Spencer roundhouse in 1953 and left. Apparently the workers sort of hid it from management. Once the managers saw it they ordered it scrapped. Course that’s only what I’ve heard. Can anyone clarify if that really happened? And did any part or piece of 1380 get preserved? 


Don Yelverton
 

Will,

If you do a search on Ebay for "Southern Tennessean" you'll find a photo of the 1380 sitting still intact supposedly waiting to be scrapped. Not sure if the photo was taken in Spencer or not. There are 4 smokestacks showing on a building in the background, could be part of a roundhouse, I suppose. 

Don Yelverton


On Saturday, July 9, 2022, 02:50:18 PM EDT, Will Kesler <williamkesler354@...> wrote:


I heard stories on how 1380 was moved into the Spencer roundhouse in 1953 and left. Apparently the workers sort of hid it from management. Once the managers saw it they ordered it scrapped. Course that’s only what I’ve heard. Can anyone clarify if that really happened? And did any part or piece of 1380 get preserved? 


Will Kesler
 

You are right, I don’t know if that’s when it was being scrapped or not because it says junk yard but Spencer shops also had air of stuff laying around when they overhauled engines so I really don’t know.


Robert Graham
 

That photo of SOU Ps4 1380 was not made in a scrap yard or in process of scrapping. It was made sitting on the lead now used by NCTM at Spencer NC. It is right in front of the still-extant paint shop building on the north side of the main back shop. SOU1380 is in way too good condition and paint to be at the end of its service; more likely early on or at least after a shopping, perhaps even original painting after streamlining. That area later became a diesel locomotive service area, so it simply appears to me that the photographer grabbed a photo form the street sidewalk across the stored material.

Bob Graham

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From: "Will Kesler"
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
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Sent: Saturday July 9 2022 6:07:41PM
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Southern 1380

You are right, I don’t know if that’s when it was being scrapped or not because it says junk yard but Spencer shops also had air of stuff laying around when they overhauled engines so I really don’t know.Trash74919733c86044ac1213f303de4729e6ded


George Eichelberger
 

According to the Paul Parrish steam retirements note book in the SRHA archives, 1380 was scrapped/moved to be scrapped 3-29-53 (his written "3" could be a "7" but probably not). The book also includes the scrapping of Southern's earliest diesels.

His Southern steam photos are very high quality, we are fortunate to have a number of them in the collection.

The notebook (approx. 100 pages) contains a note, entered by Marvin Black, the book is from his collection:

"NOTES ON DIARY OF P.E. (PAUL) PARRISH, A CLERK THAT WORKED AT CHARLOTTE DIVISION OF THE SOUTHERN RAILWAY."

Ike

This notebook would be another resource if we wanted to produce a SRHA book on Southern steam.



On Sunday, July 10, 2022, 12:08:35 AM EDT, Robert Graham <rgraham2@...> wrote:


That photo of SOU Ps4 1380 was not made in a scrap yard or in process of scrapping. It was made sitting on the lead now used by NCTM at Spencer NC. It is right in front of the still-extant paint shop building on the north side of the main back shop. SOU1380 is in way too good condition and paint to be at the end of its service; more likely early on or at least after a shopping, perhaps even original painting after streamlining. That area later became a diesel locomotive service area, so it simply appears to me that the photographer grabbed a photo form the street sidewalk across the stored material.

Bob Graham

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From: "Will Kesler"
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Cc:
Sent: Saturday July 9 2022 6:07:41PM
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Southern 1380

You are right, I don’t know if that’s when it was being scrapped or not because it says junk yard but Spencer shops also had air of stuff laying around when they overhauled engines so I really don’t know.Trash74919733c86044ac1213f303de4729e6ded


Cohen Bob
 

I can't recall where or when I saw this photo of 1380 albeit with a different than in service tender, but it was sitting in the scrap line in Alexandria in the Summer of 1953, out in the open in the Southern's Alexandria yards. There were a bunch of other retired steamers also sitting in the dead line.

Bob Cohen


Don Yelverton
 

Bob,
The first photo in Will's email late yesterday shows the 1380 in a scrap line with the tender from 856 and most of the stainless removed from the locomotive.

Don Yelverton

On Sunday, July 10, 2022, 10:50:34 AM EDT, Cohen Bob via groups.io <orl96782@...> wrote:


I can't recall where or when I saw this photo of 1380 albeit with a different than in service tender, but it was sitting in the scrap line in Alexandria in the Summer of 1953, out in the open in the Southern's Alexandria yards. There were a bunch of other retired steamers also sitting in the dead line.

Bob Cohen


George Eichelberger
 

“Summer” of 53” corresponds to a “3” or “7” in the Parrish notebook scan 10 (attached)…

Ike





On Jul 10, 2022, at 11:04 AM, Don Yelverton via groups.io <donyelverton@...> wrote:

Bob,
The first photo in Will's email late yesterday shows the 1380 in a scrap line with the tender from 856 and most of the stainless removed from the locomotive.

Don Yelverton

On Sunday, July 10, 2022, 10:50:34 AM EDT, Cohen Bob via groups.io <orl96782@...> wrote:


I can't recall where or when I saw this photo of 1380 albeit with a different than in service tender, but it was sitting in the scrap line in Alexandria in the Summer of 1953, out in the open in the Southern's Alexandria yards. There were a bunch of other retired steamers also sitting in the dead line.

Bob Cohen


Don Yelverton
 

Ike,
What are his abbreviations in the line with the No. 1380?

Don Yelverton

On Sunday, July 10, 2022, 11:28:58 AM EDT, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:


“Summer” of 53” corresponds to a “3” or “7” in the Parrish notebook scan 10 (attached)…

Ike





On Jul 10, 2022, at 11:04 AM, Don Yelverton via groups.io <donyelverton@...> wrote:

Bob,
The first photo in Will's email late yesterday shows the 1380 in a scrap line with the tender from 856 and most of the stainless removed from the locomotive.

Don Yelverton

On Sunday, July 10, 2022, 10:50:34 AM EDT, Cohen Bob via groups.io <orl96782@...> wrote:


I can't recall where or when I saw this photo of 1380 albeit with a different than in service tender, but it was sitting in the scrap line in Alexandria in the Summer of 1953, out in the open in the Southern's Alexandria yards. There were a bunch of other retired steamers also sitting in the dead line.

Bob Cohen


George Eichelberger
 

Don:

That’s an excellent question I KNEW someone would ask! Unfortunately, there is no “key” to his notations in the notebook My guess (other than the “retired” entries) is that they refer to “funeral train” descriptions but I don’t have much confidence in that.

Ike


On Jul 10, 2022, at 11:49 AM, Don Yelverton via groups.io <donyelverton@...> wrote:

Ike,
What are his abbreviations in the line with the No. 1380?

Don Yelverton

On Sunday, July 10, 2022, 11:28:58 AM EDT, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:


“Summer” of 53” corresponds to a “3” or “7” in the Parrish notebook scan 10 (attached)…

Ike



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On Jul 10, 2022, at 11:04 AM, Don Yelverton via groups.io <donyelverton@...> wrote:

Bob,
The first photo in Will's email late yesterday shows the 1380 in a scrap line with the tender from 856 and most of the stainless removed from the locomotive.

Don Yelverton

On Sunday, July 10, 2022, 10:50:34 AM EDT, Cohen Bob via groups.io <orl96782@...> wrote:


I can't recall where or when I saw this photo of 1380 albeit with a different than in service tender, but it was sitting in the scrap line in Alexandria in the Summer of 1953, out in the open in the Southern's Alexandria yards. There were a bunch of other retired steamers also sitting in the dead line.

Bob Cohen

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C J Wyatt
 

Second column seems to be type of stoker.

Jack Wyatt

On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 01:30:30 PM EDT, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:


Don:

That’s an excellent question I KNEW someone would ask! Unfortunately, there is no “key” to his notations in the notebook My guess (other than the “retired” entries) is that they refer to “funeral train” descriptions but I don’t have much confidence in that.

Ike


On Jul 10, 2022, at 11:49 AM, Don Yelverton via groups.io <donyelverton@...> wrote:

Ike,
What are his abbreviations in the line with the No. 1380?

Don Yelverton

On Sunday, July 10, 2022, 11:28:58 AM EDT, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:


“Summer” of 53” corresponds to a “3” or “7” in the Parrish notebook scan 10 (attached)…

Ike



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On Jul 10, 2022, at 11:04 AM, Don Yelverton via groups.io <donyelverton@...> wrote:

Bob,
The first photo in Will's email late yesterday shows the 1380 in a scrap line with the tender from 856 and most of the stainless removed from the locomotive.

Don Yelverton

On Sunday, July 10, 2022, 10:50:34 AM EDT, Cohen Bob via groups.io <orl96782@...> wrote:


I can't recall where or when I saw this photo of 1380 albeit with a different than in service tender, but it was sitting in the scrap line in Alexandria in the Summer of 1953, out in the open in the Southern's Alexandria yards. There were a bunch of other retired steamers also sitting in the dead line.

Bob Cohen

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James
 

I agree, Jack.  Look at the entries for 1386, 1393 and 1394.  1393 noted with standard stoker and 1386 with Hanna stoker.  1394 is noted with an Elesco water heater, so I would say the W means a Worthington FWH.  Not sure what MG is but maybe the valve gear?

On Jul 10, 2022, at 13:32, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:

Second column seems to be type of stoker.

Jack Wyatt

On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 01:30:30 PM EDT, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:


Don:

That’s an excellent question I KNEW someone would ask! Unfortunately, there is no “key” to his notations in the notebook My guess (other than the “retired” entries) is that they refer to “funeral train” descriptions but I don’t have much confidence in that.

Ike


James Wall
Rural Hall, NC




C J Wyatt
 

Third column is feedwater heater - Elesco, Worthington model S, and Worthington model B. 

Possibly looking for what appliances to salvage. 

First column eludes me.

Jack 

On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 01:33:16 PM EDT, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:


Second column seems to be type of stoker.

Jack Wyatt

On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 01:30:30 PM EDT, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:


Don:

That’s an excellent question I KNEW someone would ask! Unfortunately, there is no “key” to his notations in the notebook My guess (other than the “retired” entries) is that they refer to “funeral train” descriptions but I don’t have much confidence in that.

Ike


On Jul 10, 2022, at 11:49 AM, Don Yelverton via groups.io <donyelverton@...> wrote:

Ike,
What are his abbreviations in the line with the No. 1380?

Don Yelverton

On Sunday, July 10, 2022, 11:28:58 AM EDT, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:


“Summer” of 53” corresponds to a “3” or “7” in the Parrish notebook scan 10 (attached)…

Ike



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On Jul 10, 2022, at 11:04 AM, Don Yelverton via groups.io <donyelverton@...> wrote:

Bob,
The first photo in Will's email late yesterday shows the 1380 in a scrap line with the tender from 856 and most of the stainless removed from the locomotive.

Don Yelverton

On Sunday, July 10, 2022, 10:50:34 AM EDT, Cohen Bob via groups.io <orl96782@...> wrote:


I can't recall where or when I saw this photo of 1380 albeit with a different than in service tender, but it was sitting in the scrap line in Alexandria in the Summer of 1953, out in the open in the Southern's Alexandria yards. There were a bunch of other retired steamers also sitting in the dead line.

Bob Cohen

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Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton
 

Concur with clumsn 1 and 2 - the interpretation of the first column /might/ become apparent if we had sight of other entries with different values; metallic gland packing perhaps? 

Aidrian


On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 6:40 PM C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:
Third column is feedwater heater - Elesco, Worthington model S, and Worthington model B. 

Possibly looking for what appliances to salvage. 

First column eludes me.



C J Wyatt
 

I believe multiple bearing guides.

Jack

On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 03:54:05 PM EDT, Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <abridgemansutton@...> wrote:


Concur with clumsn 1 and 2 - the interpretation of the first column /might/ become apparent if we had sight of other entries with different values; metallic gland packing perhaps? 

Aidrian

On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 6:40 PM C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:
Third column is feedwater heater - Elesco, Worthington model S, and Worthington model B. 

Possibly looking for what appliances to salvage. 

First column eludes me.